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| Re: Double speak Why should a private company be concerned about public interest, or interest of throttling its competitors service ?
The only interest is ... power (to squash its competitors) and money (not having to spend on supplied bandwidth).
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| Re: Double speak said by en102  :Why should a private company be concerned about public interest, or interest of throttling its competitors service ? The only interest is ... power (to squash its competitors) and money (not having to spend on supplied bandwidth). Are you speaking of the Private Co that was created with our tax dollars and given "privileged right of way" to all hydro poles, homes, and business's extra? ya why should they care.... | |
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Canadian, eh?
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| Re: Double speak As a Canadian living in L.A., I agree... Bell Canada/BCE should have to give back millions of taxpayer revenues. I have relatives that worked for Bell in Northern Ontario, originally putting the phone lines on trees back when highway 17/108 was put in.
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Damn Kidney Stones
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| said by a1_Andy :said by en102 :Why should a private company be concerned about public interest, or interest of throttling its competitors service ? The only interest is ... power (to squash its competitors) and money (not having to spend on supplied bandwidth). Are you speaking of the Private Co that was created with our tax dollars and given "privileged right of way" to all hydro poles, homes, and business's extra? ya why should they care.... Bell Canada was never created by tax dollars. It has been a public company trading on the stock market since Day 1. It also must pay for access to municipal rights of way and poles it does not own.
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| Re: Double speak said by DKS :Bell Canada was never created by tax dollars. It has been a public company trading on the stock market since Day 1. It also must pay for access to municipal rights of way and poles it does not own. The point was that it obtained a corporate charter from the government. Without that, it would not be able to trade on stock markets. It is the socially-created entity known as "the corporation" that allows people to own shares of a business without being personally liable for the actions of that business (as would occur if it remained a private business).
There's a *huge* amount of socialization in the creation/enablement of corporations. It doesn't take the form of explicitly handing them cash.
Ask yourself: If it weren't so valuable, why do all these corporations line up to get these socially-created fictional entities which alter otherwise "free market" conditions? Why do they choose the not-so-invisible hand of society if an Adam Smith wonderland is so desirable? Which leads to the natural observation: Should society expect something more than "free market self-interest" in return.
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| Re: Double speak Because a single owner/sole-proprietor can only manage a company up to a certain size. Beyond that multiple owners and a management structure has to be maintained. A corporation allows individuals to risk capital without risking all their assets and freedom based on the actions of the management team. Without this separation of liability and division of financial responsibility there wouldn't be any businesses larger than a sole-proprietor because the risks would far exceed the return. Beyond that corporations allow the "little guy" to take a share of ownership of a much larger company and grow their personal wealth along with the corporation.
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join:2005-07-22
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| Re: Double speak said by rahvin112 :But you don't care, your anti-corporate and you don't even know what a corporation is or why it exists. I'm not anti-corporate. Just pointing out that all the benefits you listed exist due to the help of *society* -- not "the invisible hand" of the market. Just trying to point out that those who rely the most on "market" rhetoric want to forget about these socializations (including the SEC, FDIC, banking regulations, food and drug quality laws which "artificially" limit willing buyers and sellers).
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| Re: Double speak said by DKS :It is simply a legal mechanism to do business. It is not a subsidy, as the OP suggested. Sure it is. It's just that you're limiting the definition of "subsidy." Again, if it wasn't so useful, why do private businesses seek out corporate charters like there's no tomorrow? We hear about the efficiency of the "free market." Why don't they operate exclusively by that maxim?
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| Re: Double speak said by zachary1 :Because in Canada, we believe that corporations exist for the benefit of we the people, not the other way around, otherwise we the people should have the power to revoke the charter of said corporations because of indifference to the public interest. That's an excellent point. Americans lose sight of the fact that a corporation is based upon an entity created by the state legislature. A fictional entity artificially deemed "a person" by society (not "free markets") to serve as the fall guy to shield officers and investors for responsibility that would normally apply to private business operation and co-ownership.
It might be a good thing. Maybe it stimulates economic activity. But, I get soooo tired to hear people say "it's just a free market, why do you expect a handout (or, expect corporations to behave in ways that aren't purely market driven)?"
If it's such a "free market" why do so many businesses expect *society* to create an artificial "person" and be shielded from the liability of truly "free" markets? If they don't want to be held accountable for a lack of social conscience (by offshoring jobs, etc.) then let them be entirely private businesses and not get the benefit of society's creation of corporate charters.
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| Re: Double speak said by amigo_boy :If it's such a "free market" why do so many businesses expect *society* to create an artificial "person" and be shielded from the liability of truly "free" markets? If they don't want to be held accountable for a lack of social conscience (by offshoring jobs, etc.) then let them be entirely private businesses and not get the benefit of society's creation of corporate charters. Mark So your saying these guys hve something to hide? 
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.
Non-profit Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 4/19/89 File No. 2193946
INTERNAL REVENUE TAX AND AUDIT SERVICE (IRS)
For Profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 7/12/33
File No. 0325720
FEDERAL RESERVE ASSOCIATION (Federal Reserve)
Non-profit Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 9/13/14
File No. 0042817
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AUTHORITY INC. (CIA)
For Profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 3/9/83
File No. 2004409
FEDERAL LAND ACQUISITION CORP.
For-profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 8/22/80
File No. 0897960
RTC COMMERCIAL ASSETS TRUST 1995-NP3-2
For-profit Delaware Statutory Trust
Incorporation Date 10/24/95
File No. 2554768
SOCIAL SECURITY CORP, DEPT. OF HEALTH, EDUCATION AND WELFARE
For-Profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date: 11/13/89
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| Re: Double speak Your argument is nonsense. One has little to do with the other. Removing the shield of the corporate charter would do nothing to advocate the causes you seem to be lamenting. If you think the corporate charter is so bad, why don't you tell us how a sole-proprietor who fully owns a company would behave differently if he could increase profits by 20% by off-shoring jobs? The fact is the corporate charter actually makes it more difficult to act only in the interests of immediate profits because there is a diverse ownership of the company. In companies with high employee ownership such actions would likely be impossible, but placed in the hands of single owner the actions are guaranteed.
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Haverhill, NH | Re: DPI pirated software and anything else that you didnt pay for that should be paid for. thats who i am sir, someone that is tired of people complaining that isp's are throttling there service wah wah wah get over it and stop being a pirate. | |
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Can you do Blu?
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1 edit | Re: DPI said by jonnyb :r u trying to tell me that there is no pirated software on the p2p that you use and that all you dl is linux distro, is that what you are trying to say? SOunds like some serious bs. Are you saying that all P2P is illegal? Bullshit!
Here:
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| Re: DPI "r u trying to tell me that there is no pirated software on the p2p that you use and that all you dl is linux distro, is that what you are trying to say? SOunds like some serious bs." At what point in my comment do i say that all p2p is illegal please tell me sir, exactly you will not find it but good luck. Any who there are plenty of shisty stuff on VUZE i am sure is that an incorrect statment | |
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Can you do Blu?
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1 edit | Re: DPI No where, but on the same note, nowhere did ptrowski state that there was no pirated software either - yet you made your comment.
Look friend, I use VUZE - Azureus.
I use it for LEGAL files.
ISPs throttling the BT protocol(or any other P2P app/network) is fucking it up for us LEGAL users.
That's ok though, huh? 
Tell me, are you Taylor?
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Huh? What?
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| What you did say with that rhetorical question is that all p2p users who download legit stuff are also pirates. That IS what you are saying, and that is crap. That's like saying every amateur astronomer who has a telescope is also a pervert who peers through windows with it. Screw that.
And stop with the affected "sir" silliness.
wig - uses p2p only for distros.
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Haverhill, NH | Re: DPI This has got to stop, all bittorent users should be looked up there all crooks is that what you want me to say. I at no point said that bt users that use it legitimately are pirates come on. | |
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Huh? What?
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1 edit | I think you're having trouble with your own comprehension.
Here is the point at which you said that bt users that use it legitimately are pirates:
"r u trying to tell me that there is no pirated software on the p2p that you use and that all you dl is linux distro, is that what you are trying to say? Sounds like some serious bs." What that means (for those with poor reading comprehension) is that Dadkins is lying about only using his p2p for legit downloads. You're saying that you do not believe that all he downloads is linux distros and videos. In other words, you're calling him a liar.
That is what you said, sir.
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Huh? What?
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Pasadena, TX | Re: DPI Oh, I see...you truly DON'T understand what you are writing. OK.
No understand English - got it.
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Workaholic
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| Re: DPI said by dadkins :said by jonnyb :that is exactly what i am saying SIR!!!!! You calling me a liar? Say it in actual words friend! From a South Park when Canada went on strike.
"I am not your FRIEND, buddy!!"
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join:2001-02-26
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| said by dadkins :Say it in actual words friend! Lol, reminds me of that south park:
1: I'm not your friend, guy!
2: I'm not your guy, buddy!
1: I'm not your buddy, friend!
2: I'm not your friend, guy!
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join:2008-03-18
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| Wow, so you're saying it's ok for Bell to be the police on this matter...
I agree that downloading illegally is bad, but it shouldn't be Bell that decides what to do about it, RCMP could work on that... and that's another matter...
What we have here is Bell trying to control something they shouldn't be... the internet is all about freedom, same way as being outside on your way to somewhere...... If I was outside and decided to trip someone cause he walked in front of me and cut me off, slowing me from getting to my destination, then let the police do something about it... same applies to the internet... Bell should be going through the police, they can release whatever information they have on their users to the police to notify them of the "illegal" stuff they are doing and let them take care of it, eliminating the illegal downloading in this way...
Same for any other ISP... It's not up to Bell to decide what is illegal and what is not especially when running on other company's customer base... it's all about control and money that Bell wants when it gets to the bottom line, and anyone saying otherwise is pretty misinformed of the situation... | |
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My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Dallas, TX | I've seen enough.
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Portage La Prairie, MB | "r u trying to tell me that there is no pirated software on the http that you use"?
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| Personally, I only use my connection for D/L of pacakges, VoIP, webcasts, and work, with the occasional email.
If I have the time when I do go and download the next version of Fedora Core (I currently have 8 - 64 bit distro DVD ISO), or Oracle client installations, why should I be throttled... I pay good money for my connection. Also, Bell shouldn't be throttling its competitors traffic. If their competitors want to allow USE of its service for games, BT, TV over the Internet, it should not have to ask Bell Canada for permission.
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Question The Current Paradigm
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| said by jonnyb :r u trying to tell me that there is no pirated software on the p2p ... I don't think anyone is saying that. Rather, the question is, whether or not the amount of such "alleged illegal" traffic is causing the traffic congestion problem.
Site me One credible study showing "illegal" p2p traffic is the cause.
Let the media jack boots, and the courts, deal with the "illegal" traffic, and demand that the ISP deliver the speeds and open access they advertise.
The traffic congestion on some nets is caused by greedy ISPs overselling their resources. Resources are rationed, when supply is short, please show us proof that the problem is due to "illegal" traffic, and not due to ISPs failing to invest in better infrastructure.
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| Re: DPI Why is it that only Canada, US and the UK are having these "problems" lately and "third world" countries, who's internet consumption is doubling by the day, sees none of it?
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| said by jonnyb :r u trying to tell me that there is no pirated software on the p2p that you use and that all you dl is linux distro, is that what you are trying to say? SOunds like some serious bs. Dude, I hate to shock you, but there is pirated software out on the internets. I suggest you disconnect yourself from it, lest someone think you're a part of the problem.
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Haverhill, NH | Re: DPI is that someting that is sold for money then you should have to pay money if it is free then you should get it for free is that hard to understand... | |
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join:2003-08-13
Kingston, ON
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| Re: DPI said by jonnyb :is that hard to understand... Not at all. Do YOU understand that Bell's throttling of my Bittorrent client is making it extremely difficult to obtain LEGAL media? Therefore, your arguement about Bittorrent being used for piracy is incorrect.
No matter, it's a redundant question. You appear to be a Bell troll so I'm going to ignore anything you have to say anyway. lol!! | |
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Question The Current Paradigm
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| said by jonnyb :... you should have to pay money if it is free then you should get it for free is that hard to understand... You are conflating illegal use with network access. Now, who else conflates issues to confuse and trick the public? Oh hey! It IS the same greedy bunch!
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| While I can see your point and agree (to a limited extent), I cannot agree with their stance on this at all.
Teksavvy is NOT a reseller. They are paying Bell to lease the line from the customer to the CO. After that, all transit is on Teksavvy.
So for bell's argument to hold water, it would have to mean that each DSLAM (CO endpoint, may be the wrong term) is overloaded. If this is the case - upgrade! After the DSLAM, there should be NO addition to bells bandwidth usage - it then goes over Teksavvy's lines.
Bells shaping sits in between the DSLAM and the "lines" going to Teksavvy.
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| You logic is flawed. P2P is a legit use in the same way FTP, HTTP, and VPN are legit. Civil and or criminal acts can occur on anyone of those. It is a slippery slope to say any one person or company can reduce, censor or surpress ANY form of communication. That is a job for courts and law enforcement. Not some company or private individual. I have yet to see where anyone has had their enjoyment of the internet SPECIFIC reduced by P2P traffic. I suspect Bell has something in the offing, and this is just a 1st step to prepare for it. | |
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Landing is the REAL challenge
join:2003-09-16
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| Sir, I invite you to read all the discussions in full about this issue over in the TekSavvy forum to see what is REALLY going on.
First of all, it's not only p2p apps that are getting throttled. So are VoIP services, VPN services, and many other encrypted offerings that should NOT be throttled in the first place by any stretch of reasoning.
Secondly, the only part of bell's infrastructure that TekSavvy borrows from is the last mile from the customer to the co. From there it's sent off to TekSavvy where the traffic uses THEIR interconnects that TEKSAVVY bought themselves to the backbone providers, not bell's. It is this last mile connection that Bell is throttling which is a total crock of BS if not because there is really little to no congestion on this last mile, but the canadian government forced them to give access to the last mile to third party ISPs which outright pits this as an anti-competitive tactic.
Bell is not fighting bandwidth hogs. Hell, I doubt bell is even having bandwidth issues either. I know TekSavvy has proven on their end that before all this throttling BS started, they were easily filling their interconnect links with room to spare and were all the happier. Bell is just pulling this shit to try and push competing third party ISPs out of the ring and nothing more.
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| said by jonnyb :this is nothing new and i agree with this type of traffic shaping in order better serve consumers that use the internet for legit uses. til you buy that game that uses BT for patches/updates and have to download 100 megabytes of data at 2kbps.
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North York, ON | The Numbers Keep Changing... said by Bell Canada :
...five percent of users were using over 30% of their bandwidth...
This figure keeps changing. Wasn't it "5% of users using 50% of bandwidth" just weeks ago? | |
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Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
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| Re: The Numbers Keep Changing... said by andrewhaji :said by Bell Canada :
...five percent of users were using over 30% of their bandwidth...
This figure keeps changing. Wasn't it "5% of users using 50% of bandwidth" just weeks ago? LOL!
Stats are... 85% wrong, 75% of the time. 
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| so is putting cap on the service going to make you guys happy becuase it seems like there is always something for you to complain about. Is that the solution? Like i have said before DPI is being used by a lot of isp's and its for a reason whether it is becuase they dont want to upgrade there network or its becuase of consumers abusing p2p networks anyway if that is a problem for you then why dont you start your own isp and offer an unlimitted service so that i can bottleneck the sh** out of your network sound like a plan | |
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join:2003-12-20
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| Re: Why just Bell Pathetico??? said by TI POIL :What about Rogers??? Even worse!! Because Rogers' wholesale isn't throttling 3web yet.
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| Why just Bell Pathetico??? said by TI POIL :What about Rogers??? Even worse!! Agreed! However, and speaking for myself, I'm not a power-user, the odd surfing, checking and replying to emails, so Rogers' throttling and traffic-shaping really doesn't affect me, as a light user. That said, I've just recently migrated my home phone from Bell over to Rogers Home Phone, hence, completely the transition of having all of my services with Rogers.
In light of this recent situation with Bell Canada, I just don't feel comfortable with the direction that Bell Canada is headed. Rogers is not without its faults, however, I'd rather give my business to Rogers than even think of doing anymore business with Bell Canada. Even the thought of going to a wholesaler such as TekSavvy, I would not be completely free of Bell Canada.
Migrating all of my services to Rogers breaks me free of any association with Bell Canada, as Rogers owns their home phone and has their own technicians should I require technicial repair. By migrating my services to Rogers, I was successfully able to negotiate having all System Access fees permanently removed from Home Phone and Television. It's simply a matter working with the company with whom you choose to give your business, hence, with Rogers I'll remain. | |
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I've just cancelled my Bell home phone and switched to Primus. No longer a Bell customer after a lifetime of service. Bye! | |
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join:2003-08-13
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1 edit | Re: Had enough of Bell... said by ImDone :
I've just cancelled my Bell home phone and switched to Primus. No longer a Bell customer after a lifetime of service. Bye! I doubt Bell realized there would be this much blowback when they implemented throttling. Even if they lose just the "5%" of their subscribers (or whatever number they make up today) who "abused" their unlimited service has got to be making the shareholders a tad nervous.
At any rate, I'm right behind you. But my $$$ will be going to TekSavvy for my home phone service. And, tomorrow I'll be going to my folks place to help them cancel their DSL with Sympatico.
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Toronto, ON
| Had enough of Bell... said by Slot Zero :said by ImDone :
I've just cancelled my Bell home phone and switched to Primus. No longer a Bell customer after a lifetime of service. Bye! I doubt Bell realized there would be this much blowback when they implemented throttling. Even if they lose just the "5%" of their subscribers (or whatever number they make up today) who "abused" their unlimited service has got to be making the shareholders a tad nervous. At any rate, I'm right behind you. But my $$$ will be going to TekSavvy for my home phone service. And, tomorrow I'll be going to my folks place to help them cancel their DSL with Sympatico. It may not be much, but protesting with our cheque books is all these bozo's seem to understand. Yup...Bell is loosing a substantial amount of customers. Maybe not enough to make a difference at the moment, but given time, the only business Bell will soon be in for is home phone. And Kevin Crull, President Bell Residential Services, will soon be looking for a new job. | |
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GKC
join:2008-03-07
Toronto, ON
| Re: Had enough of Bell... said by Slot Zero :At any rate, I'm right behind you. But my $$$ will be going to TekSavvy for my home phone service. Keep in mind though, that by going over to TekSavvy for home phone you are still tied to Bell Canada, as TekSavvy is reselling Bell Canada's products at a cheaper price, and a percentage of that price TekSavvy pays to Bell to resell Bell's products under their name. | |
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ShadPTR
join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by Slot Zero :At any rate, I'm right behind you. But my $$$ will be going to TekSavvy for my home phone service. And, tomorrow I'll be going to my folks place to help them cancel their DSL with Sympatico. It may not be much, but protesting with our cheque books is all these bozo's seem to understand. I only wish I could see the numbers leaving Bell, it would be such sweet justice. | |
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gsm8
join:2004-09-29
Renton, WA | forgot one more use Don't forget about game patches legit music and unlicensed anime and j-drama. This is in response to the person who said that all p2p should be banned | |
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phily316
join:2006-01-31
Montré | ok la chicane est pognée!!!! | |
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Bellundo
@teksavvy.com | Why don't they just tell the truth? We're just in it for the money. Sounds like the response you'd get from someone that robs banks for a living. This company is enough to make people puke. | |
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Laidback
join:2001-09-30
Woodstock, ON
·PrimusDSL
| I'd like to ring bell's bell Consistent, super fast access speeds
Your Internet access is yours alone, so you'll enjoy consistently fast speed, without frustrating slowdowns, even during peak hours.
The above is from Bell's web site. Now, since bell is not identifying what downloads, would the average individual not read this as whatever he decides to download will not be throttled? Including P2P? You can bet that bell will keep throttling everybody else, and when the time comes, the sympatico users will will the war because bell will look after their own customers first before looking after the rest of us. Maybe we the payers of the copper and fiber that's been laid in this province need to keep complaining to the CRTC that the monopoly known as bell has gone too far and perhaps the time has come for some fair competition. | |
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pablo2525
join:2003-06-23
1 edit | More than just P2P though ... Part of the issue with Bell's shaper is that it puts P2P as well as any encrypted connection in the same bin: ssh, IPsec, VOIP, etc. | |
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DJ MASACRE
@gc.ca
| Put it this way ... those who think we ABUSE what we pay for I like how this guy said it ...
this is great ...
(""The only users who are really inconvenienced by traffic shaping are the system abusers. All others use a paltry amount of bandwidth which is not throttled.""
Huh? You've got to be joking. People streaming endless YouToob garbage take up a 'paltry' amount of bandwidth? Large scale data transfers to co-located servers? VOIP applications like Skype? Just about any streaming application takes a significant amount of bandwidth and I suspect that you are aware of this.
The ONLY - your words - users who are inconvenienced are 'system abusers' (your own perjorative)? Here you have adopted the dishonest language of the money-hungry state-supported ISP's.
First off, I fail to understand how a customer who is using their service as advertised (X amount of throughput) can 'abuse' the system. Do they send endless amounts of SYN packet requests? Beat their modems and forget to send them birthday cards? What is your definition of abuse?
I certainly don't call it abuse if I pay 2$ to cross a toll road at a max rate of speed of 55 mph. Nor would I call it abuse if the toll road company offers to allow me 'unlimited' access to the road for 20$ a month, even were I to drive tour buses packed with people down the road, 24/7. If the toll road operator complained about the excessive traffic my bus was generating, they have two options: widen the road or amend the contract. They cannot simply shoot the tires as I pass by in my bus (and everyone else driving a bus), then tell everyone they have improved road service.")
Taken from »tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?no_···/0059214
We make a stronger case in these forums though .. but this was funny . | |
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SHARPSHARK
join:2002-05-10 | No proof Hmmm, sure, whatever. No proof once again. :|
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k6richar
@bell.ca
| Screwed by Throttling in 8 days a new version of ubuntu will be released, i would like to upgrade to this. however i know their servers will not keep up to the demand so i would like to download via bittorrent. I dont want to stay up until 3 in the morning to get the 7mbps bell said i could get when i signed up.
at least i found a workaround
»tor.imageshack.us/
i suggest anyone else screwed by bell check that out
it downloads the torrent for you then you ftp the files | |
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·Brand X Internet
·RoadRunner Cable
·Vonage
4 edits | If I lease a house to you... If I lease a house to you for say, 1000 dollars a month-and you always act within the terms of the lease, then I have NO RIGHT to come to you halfway through the lease and say: "I need one of the two bedrooms for my own use-vacate it immediately". How is this any different then what Bell Canada is pulling? The ISP's have LEASES with Bell Canada and the telco has decided that they do not need to follow the terms of the lease. The ISPs leased a certain CAPACITY from B.C. and now are NOT getting what they paid for! What I can not understand is how so many of you actually are DEFENDING Bell! You'd be the first to cry foul if your landlord pulled the above on you-but it's A-OK when Bell pulls if on THEIR "tenants". Make no mistake, the ISPs involved ARE tenants of Bell-they LEASE DSL subscriber lines and fiber capacity from a regulated monopoly.
Said lines and fiber are now being slowed down by Bell-in clear violation of their lease with these ISPs.
I know if my landlord pulled the crap above on me, I'd be in housing court the next day seeking an injunction against them-and I'd likely get it too! There would also be damages I could seek against the landlord for violating the terms of the lease I have with him. See, leases exist to benefit BOTH parties, not just the landlord! Bell has violated their leases with their tenants-and even worse, did so with malice (to keep them from taking more customers from Bell) and also did do without any advance notice whatsoever.
This is like coming home from work, finding your key no longer fits the lock of your apartment, others are living there-and they have trashed all your furniture!
....And then finding out that the landlord cashed your rent check yesterday....
Yet, so many of you think this is okay....I don't get it! | |
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