en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | But is bad press and a wrist-slap enough to keep ISPs honest
Hell no. Money and power vs. a little 'bad press' (which spin doctors can fix) and the slap on the wrist is nothing compared to savings.
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19 | That Settles it Then
Kevie says no NN laws are needed, therefore it must be true!  |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
| I triple guarantee you, US forces are not in Baghdad!
And the wolves promised not to eat the sheep, honest! |
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wtansill
Ncc1701
join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA | Pay no attention
to the man behind the curtain...
Nothing to see here -- move along like good little sheep. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
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| Martin sez
"Feel free to pillage, loot and burn. Have fun."
Expect the tollbooths on the Internet to go up fast.
"It's OUR network, and we'll enslave ensure our consumers are exploited protected how we see fit!" (Protected from competition and 3rd Party Content services, that is...)
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jhboricua
ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
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| ahhh, the good old tired child pornography scare
The sharing of illegal content, such as child pornography or content that does not have the appropriate copyright, is not protected by our principles. I can see it soon, if you support net neutrality, you are a pedophile.
Would someone please think of the children!!! |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
|  Build your own network if you're unhappy...
It never ceases to amaze me the sense of entitlement people have. It isn't your network. It's their network. Their house, their rules. Perhaps Martin is back-pedaling because he's realized -- OH YEAH! -- he's a Republican and he's not supposed to believe in regulating the profit out of businesses. |
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KrK
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Re: Pay no attention
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KrK
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Re: Build your own network if you're unhappy...
Entitlement my ass. I pay them good money for internet service.... Just because they are a monopoly or duopoly and know we can't readily escape their clutches I don't like being told that we will obey and be mindless little slavesumers and will only be allowed to access and pay for their services because they will block the rest (Oh, I mean 'Manage the network'.)
Screw that. Manage their stock options is more like it.
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GKC
join:2008-03-07
Toronto, ON
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Re: ahhh, the good old tired child pornography scare
The FCC must fully regulate Comcast, as our Canadian counter-part, CRTC, must fully regulate Bell Canada. Without full regulation, ISPs will dictate what subscriber's can and cannot do on the net. Net Neutrality allows everyone's voice to be hear. Without NN we are held prisoners by our ISPs. Our ISPs have absolutely no right to dictate what their subscriber's can and cannot do on the internet. The internet is free and open to everyone and we must all work to ensure it stays that way.
ISPs charge their subscriber's outrageous fees, set severe bandwidth limitations, and then have the nerve to tell their subscriber's what they can and cannot do on the internet!! ISP have become nothing more than money-grabber's.
The time is now, people, to fight the good fight to ensure that the internet remains a free and open source for everyone and we must not accept nothing less. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
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Re: Build your own network if you're unhappy...
Go take your cheap stupid argument somewhere else.
This network which you claim is theirs was built, upgraded, and improved on the backs of the public. They were, and still for the most part are, built in a monopolistic nature. The use of public rights of way, major barriers of entry, and the many many tax incentives to continue their business is the only thing that allows them to function as they do. |
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
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4 edits | The FCC is the REASON WHY there is no competition!!
The FCC (under Powell) virtually ELIMINATED INTERNET COMPETITION!
They did so by GUTTING the Communications Act of 1996-but not until AFTER making sure that the "big boys" got to glutton themselves at the trough! THEN when it came time for the little guys to have their meal, the FCC snatched the Act away from them!
I don't know about you, but here where I live-in the center of Hollywood, we have basically TWO choices for Internet-Time Warner Cable or AT&T DSL. Yes, I have an independent retailer for my DSL, but when it comes to their speeds, wire repair, etc., they are held hostage by AT&T. In fact, I have to have AT&T phone service to even GET Internet service from anyone else but AT&T! This means that AT&T has their finger in the pie in every case! Indeed, even though I live exactly one street mile from the Gower Street phone office, my AT&T phone line is in such disrepair that I only qualify for the (slower) 3 mbit service-instead of the 6 mbit I should qualify for at this distance! Why? Because AT&T is stockpiling all the GOOD lines for when their U-Verse service comes here!
The bottom line is this-the FCC has so limited Internet competition that in the Country's second largest city we have only TWO choices-cable or telco. NOW they want to insure that the TWO providers can treat their customers any way they want and the customer has no recourse! If they feel like it, they can throttle my service to pre-dialup speeds. If they want they can make certain sites unavailable to me. They can degrade my Vonage traffic. They can make p2p usage impossible. AND they can do all this with the full blessing of the FCC!
This FCC has to be the most anti consumer govt. agency out there! All they want to do is insure that THEY have big fat jobs waiting when their terms are over! Don't believe me? Look where Powell wound up! |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | I'd add something, but that sums it up pretty darn well.... |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | reply to KrK
Re: Build your own network if you're unhappy...
You pay them good money for what they promise you, not for what you want. There is no monopoly -- that's just entitlement mentality talking about. You can escape anytime you want: Do without. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | reply to qworster
Re: The FCC is the REASON WHY there is no competition!!
I watched the hearing and Larry Lessig said that in the not so small city where he lives, San Francisco, he has one choice of broadband provider - comcast.
Just like me in the Maryland suburbs of Washington DC, the nation's capitol. |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
| reply to Skippy25
Re: Build your own network if you're unhappy...
Bull, Skippy25. The network was build, upgraded, and improved on the backs of the owners of the companies that build the networks. Again, more predictable entitlement mentality. The use of the public rights of way is more than compensated for with the free service the service providers provide municipalities.
Sheesh. |
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KrK
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| reply to bicker
said by bicker  :You pay them good money for what they promise you, They keep changing the rules. The put in a clause saying "We can do whatever we want."
Than later on, they add in throttling, shaping, blocking, filtering, Caps, overage charges, etc etc. Oh they know you'll be pissed, but they know as long as the other choice (be it DSL or cable) does it too that you are screwed.
Personally, consumers should not just take this crap. They *need* to raise holy hell about it, because the companies sure aren't going to act in their best interests just out of the goodness of their hearts. It's quite simple, either we have real competition, and many choices, OR WE NEED HEAVY REGULATION. Period. Right now we get the WORST of both worlds: Almost total deregulation, hands-off attitude, AND a lack of competition. This is the perfect recipe for abuse, and that's what's happening.... Abuse.
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KrK
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said by bicker :You pay them good money for what they promise you, not for what you want. There is no monopoly -- that's just entitlement mentality talking about. You can escape anytime you want: Do without. Yeah, do without.
There's your choice for the economic future of the USA. Go back to the Stone-age and do without modern technology. Better idea: Regulate the industry. If it won't accept regulation, seize it and nationalize it.
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powerhog
Stinkin' up the joint
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Owasso, OK
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| It's almost here, we just don't realize it yet...
When Comcast gains approval of their "legal" P2P 'acceleration' (aka "illegal" P2P throttling), the two-tiered Internet will have arrived. For a small fee, I'm sure you can have your content "approved" by Comcast and they will not throttle it (as much) as those who do not have their content approved.
And the worst part is that people will think that "we" have won the NN war. Afterall, who would dare support "illegal" activities... especially child porn! When the truth is that the major ISPs have won exactly what they wanted- a two-tiered Internet. |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
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Re: Build your own network if you're unhappy...
If you don't like the terms and conditions, then don't patronize them. Find a better supplier. If there aren't any, than ACCEPT what they're offering is the best any supplier is willing to provide you.
Consumers have the ultimate control: Don't purchase the service. That'll communicate your dissatisfaction better than anything else you can possibly do or say. It is THE manner in which consumers affect the market.
More competition will come from there being a GREATER profit motive, not a LESSER profit motive.
Heavy regulation is the liberals solution to everything. |
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