TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ |  Why would you block bandwidth overage warnings?
Why bother blocking anything? - unless and until they send ads instead of bandwidth overage warnings. |
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Dogfather
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2 edits | How is this not a violation of copyright?
They modify the site owners HTML to inject their javascript execution line then forward the modified HTML to the user (whose browser then renders the HTML along with the freshly injected executes the javascript).
The HTML of site owners like Google is copyrighted and it's a violation of copyright law to modify copyrighted works without permission of the copyright holder, especially for profit. |
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Karl Bode
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1 edit | Ottawa's Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) made a similar argument last year: quote:
"When Rogers modifies the html file in their cache and sends it to its subscribers, it means the Web page has become a derivative work of the original page under copyright,"; McOrmond said. "So if the licence for the particular Web site being modified does not allow for derivative works, Rogers would becomes a pirate. This is a modified work which is considered a worse violation of copyright than verbatim distribution for free."
Don't know how effective that argument would be in court given they're essentially using a frame and no original content is distorted. ISPs might not want to risk a fight with the courts or network neutrality brigades though. |
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hottboiinnc
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because its not replacing anything on the website. its being put along in another frame- as pictured above; or above the actual web site content.
Not everything is a violation of copyright laws. Especially this because as i stated; its not actually altering the website content. |
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en102
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I agree.
Even though this appears to not change the function of someones content by opening another frame, it IS modifying the basic content. This would make users assume that the modified data is from the page source, and not an ISP attempting to leach off someone elses content for ad revenue.
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hottboiinnc
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1 edit | very true. that part about leaching is true if the ISP does use it for such. I don't see a problem with the system though if its a very low speed tier that the ISP is giving away for dollars a month- such as maybe 96k by 56k for say like $10 per month- i wouldnt see a problem with it then.
Although i would like to know when i would reaching my monthly cap and this could be very usfull for such a thing or Amber Alerts or such. |
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en102
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and where is that frame's source located ?
Its basically taking a page, and rendering it as a frame within a page. Its very borderline legal.
I.e. If my page is to be rendered as a page, and suddenly, I find my page loads as a frame with ad ridden content beside/ontop of it, this could be seen as an attempt to hijack content.
Eg. If I went to www.nsa.gov, and found the page split in 2 with a video of Obama as a good samaritan ontop, some one's going to be in trouble.
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wruckman
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All the more reason to use a Linux system as your home router. |
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en102
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Valencia, CA | reply to hottboiinnc
Re: How is this not a violation of copyright?
Why not simply have another window open... oh wait.. pop-ups for ad content provider revenue tried this in the past, where hundreds of redirects and pop-ups would invade your screen.
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chd176
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If my ISP injected Ads into my browser then I don't expect to pay anything for the service. That's IMO, although companies are already doing this (Directv with the H20 are starting to inject ads into the H20's guide and prices increased...ironic) I guess pay more for less is the "in" thing these days...
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why82923
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Re: How is this not a violation of copyright?
said by Dogfather  :They modify the site owners HTML to inject their javascript execution line then forward the modified HTML to the user (whose browser then renders the HTML along with the freshly injected executes the javascript). The HTML of site owners like Google is copyrighted and it's a violation of copyright law to modify copyrighted works without permission of the copyright holder, especially for profit. You mean that HTML that Google stole from the site owner in the first place to build their index?
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en102
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Re: no thanks
I think I'll be going OTA HD soon enough, with TV prices soaring. I'm able to get 19 OTA HD channels with a pair of amplified rabbit ears.
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adisor19
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Re: Why would you block bandwidth overage warnings?
Because there are BETTER ways to inform users of the overage warnings. You know, stuff like e-mail.
When a requested HTTP page from my bank account somehow contains something that was not coming from the bank server, there is something REALLY bad going on.
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11 | reply to hottboiinnc
Re: How is this not a violation of copyright?
Huh ? It IS altering the website content. When i request an HTML document, i expect that HTML document to be what i requested. If the contents change, whether it's in a separate frame or not, then we have a BIG problem.
Adi |
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hottboiinnc
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especially when they cache versions of the websites on their own servers all around the world. Google is basically taking from someone. And their actually keeping it until they refresh to save again. |
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hottboiinnc
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Re: Why would you block bandwidth overage warnings?
And as far as using email; who would read an email from their ISP? or who checks their ISP email? Especially if its full of AT$T Yahoo!, Rogers Yahoo! or Verizon Yahoo! ads trying to sell you something you already have. Plus yahoo itself doesnt provide that that great of an email service let alone us an ISPs. |
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Matt
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Re: How is this not a violation of copyright?
said by hottboiinnc :especially when they cache versions of the websites on their own servers all around the world. Google is basically taking from someone. And their actually keeping it until they refresh to save again. robots.txt  |
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cornelius785
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Re: Linux
well if you ignore power, money, and time, then sure. |
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biff420
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Re: no thanks
said by chd176 :If my ISP injected Ads into my browser then I don't expect to pay anything for the service.SNIPPED If they're going to charge you by the byte, then
it's possible their own ads and whatever else they
"inject", can put you over the cap. 
What a deal! They put you over, then charge you for it!
Can you say Hosts file? |
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ddevilduck
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Minneapolis, MN | reply to en102
I only do OTA HD I live 30 miles from Minneapolis and get 10 HD channels and 21 digital channels that are rebroadcasts of SD channels. Screw paying cable or dish to see what I can get for free or pay a small monthly fee to get in my mail. |
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