TKJunkMail
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|  Censorship;but logical internet rules same as newspaper rule
It is still censorship. But it is a logical extension of rules for newspapers, etc. That the internet should follow the same publishing rules as newspapers, TV, & radio makes perfect sense. The internet shouldn't get special dispensation from the rules that other forms of communication follow.
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Karl Bode
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That the internet should follow the same publishing rules as newspapers, TV, & radio makes perfect sense.
It makes "perfect sense" to take the rules governing a dying, regional, uni-directional transmission medium and expand it to cover a global, two way, largely uncontrollable communications medium where anybody can be a publisher? Honestly do you post just to post and advertise your blog, or do you post to say something substantive? |
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Ulmo
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| Muslimism vs. other religions
There can already be a case made that we need to adjust our religion laws in USA that cause us to treat all religons similarly. Muslimism, not yet reformed as most other religions have been, is too violent, and needs to be government-regulated more than the other religions.
I believe that a very very careful, explicit, deliberate, intentional and specific decision against certain very specific threats, with a LOT of overchecking, can be used in times of relative emergency. However, I also believe that the path to achieving that is fraught with dangerous loop holes along the way, and that the utmost of mistrust of government process must be considered at every angle, moment, point, level, etc., in any such process. I absolutely implore all paranoid people to include in their monitoring and fighting such acts done in order to stop things such as violent muslimism, while still leaving room for legitimate anti-muslimism and the stopping of muslimism that must be done, as an example.
This isn't a topic for absolutists and idiots, to be sure. |
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Skippy25
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Hazelwood, MO | reply to Karl Bode
Re: Censorship;but logical internet rules same as newspaper rule
Ouch! |
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en102
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Censorship is not needed or wanted.
TV and Radio are 'broadcast' to the masses and, for the most part you can still watch uncensored material... Utah may beg to differ.
Is there a reason why you may think that censorship in required ? Unlike billboards, TV, radio and newspaper that are broadcast to the public (i.e. I don't need to pay anything to get it), Internet requires searching. There are tools to censor out there if needed at the personal level.
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Skippy25
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I feel that nothing at all should be filtered for any reason. If something is illegal by that society's moral standard, then measures should be in place to track down and deal with those breaking the law. As the morals and laws change, then the baseline is still there to go by.
However, that does not mean everything should be openly available either. The internet is a 2 way communicator and is world wide. There needs to be measures in place that can accurately block or restrict material at a user's request. |
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ross
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Re: Muslimism vs. other religions
said by Ulmo  :...Muslimism, not yet reformed as most other religions have been, is too violent, and needs to be government-regulated... I believe that a very very careful, explicit, deliberate, intentional and specific decision against certain very specific threats... I absolutely implore all paranoid people to include in their monitoring and fighting such acts done in order to stop things such as violent muslimism, while still leaving room for legitimate anti-muslimism and the stopping of muslimism that must be done... This isn't a topic for absolutists and idiots, to be sure. Wow! |
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Lazlow
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Re: Muslimism vs. other religions
Most "Christians" are far more violent than most Muslims. Just take a look at the violent crime stats here in the US. Muslims are nowhere near as likely to commit a violent crime as Christians. The problem is the extremists, not the religion. Think of names like Jim Jones or David Koresh (sp?). Muslims as a whole have historically been much more willing to accept other cultures. When the Moors took over Spain they pretty much just integrated into society (lots of intermarrying). Compare that to how the Christians handled the crusades (kill them all and let god sort them out). |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
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Re: Censorship;but logical internet rules same as newspaper rule
Let me correct you by saying...said by en102 :Censorship is not needed or wanted. PAID TV and Radio are 'broadcast' to the masses and, for the most part you can still watch uncensored material... You can also do the research and see that as more and more uncensored material has been broadcasted crime rates increased, teen sex, and teens having babies has increased. Pretty much the entire moral fabric this country was founded on has declined with the introduction of "uncensored material".
You can say it is poor parenting and for the most part I would agree, however, how you are brought up greatly effects how you behave and how you let your children behave. |
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lg75
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Re: Muslimism vs. other religions
I will tell you one thing. Personally, I'm a non-believer and in my opinion all religions are evil. However, this guy is a totally ignorant to say that Islam is violent. Islam isn't violent. The idiots the make the bombs and kill people, but hide behind Islam are violent.
Honestly, the government has no place in monitoring or regulating religion. They do have the right and the duty to monitor and regulate (and eliminate) extremists. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| Dumb Pipe
I just want a dumb pipe. In cases like child porn (or whatever is illegal in any specific jurisdiction) let law enforcement deal with it. If you get caught with 2 kilos of cocaine in your car on a toll road nobody expects the owners of the road to be responsible for it. Why should we expect a higher standard for ISPs. We have officers that patrol the highways and streets, why not the internet? Apply all the same rules. If it is in plain sight (on open web page, ftp, etc) then no warrant needed (on the internet). Capture the pages and get a warrant for the physical location. |
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SuperCPA
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en102
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Re: Censorship;but logical internet rules same as newspaper rule
There is PAID TV ... and there's BROADCAST TV
I do believe that there is a place for censorship. There is also a place for free speech. Who is going to judge what should be censored. If I speak out against a corporation or public official where censorship exists, I will never be heard.
In many european countries, nudists beaches exist, yet they don't appear to have the same 'moral' issues with sex, teen pregnancies or high crimes. I do agree that many of this is due to poor parenting and general state of this country, not censorship.
Listen to 'the professor'
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gaforces
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It's good to have different opinions, it would be very boring having people who agree with everything you post.
I don't agree with censorship of the internet, but I respect other peoples opinions and contributions.
That was a bit harsh ...
Here's a little story: One time I took a college course on internet security. The teacher runs his own computer security company.
On one of his lectures, he put out a question to the class after on how the internet was going to spawn the next Hitler cult or worse.
After I disagreed with that premise (pointing out that the contributions to society outweigh the potential detriment), I noticed my grades started going down and the teacher wouldn't even talk to me anymore except to nod or grumble.
I learned that it pays to be a YES man, but I refuse to do that ...
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woody7
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I think I kind of actually agree with you somewhat on this....Peace
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Should ISPs Be Filtering 'Extremism'?
Well, gee, sure... why not?
After all, what you don't know can't hurt you... right?
(/sarcasm) |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Censorship;but logical internet rules same as newspaper rule
You can say something like that and still have U.S. flag in your avatar? |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | reply to Lazlow
Re: Dumb Pipe
Agreed |
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