Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs: | We aren't doing it on purpose
Its just that our network sucks, which causes the same data issues Comcast is generating on purpose.  |
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Mizzat
Will post for thumbs
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join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| Funny
They say they know their data may be incorrect and not definitive, but are pursuing it anyway. I've had no problems what-so-ever using BT, and it can use my entire 6 meg pipe at times, so it doesn't appear to be throttled to me.
Could it be the always congested Level 3 network pairing that they use?
Could it be that higher number of users = higher number of resets?
I really just don't see it and I'd think you'd see more complaints in the AT&T Southeast forum if they did it a lot.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | reply to Camelot One
Re: We aren't doing it on purpose
it's much more likely they are lying. |
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Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs:
| said by nasadude  :it's much more likely they are lying. I agree, but I think its hilarious that they are claiming incompetence rather than owning up to it.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
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Re: Funny
Whether you have 100 or 1000000000, 15.88% is still 15.88%.
They were clear in saying they don't know if it is invalid data or not. However, the large amount over other networks suggest something is going on. Which they clearly stated as well. There could be other things involved and time will only tell. |
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jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | "Something going on" could easily include a screwup by Azureus as well. Remember the supposed research from University of Colorado a month ago? Oooops. |
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Iknowenuff
join:2001-06-28
Riverside, CA
| Only Bell South
Its interesting that its only in bell south territory. if it were being done on purpose, why didnt all there areas make it on the list. maybe it is just a crappy network and not done on purpose. AT&T has a only had about a year since the takeover to clean up the bell south territory. lets give em a minute and see what happens. I have had pacific bell/SBC/AT&T DSL for over 9 years in southern cali and no BT problems whatsoever. and ive used several different bt clients. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| No Throttling Here
Either before with AT&T Southwest or more recently with
U-Verse.
I can often get full speed on popular torrents, and
seeding occurs at the rate limit I've set in Azureus
(80KB/s).
So the TCP resets must be due to something else: faulty
data or determination of what is a false TCP reset from
the plugin, excessive number of connections per torrent
or overall, consumer grade router overload, EventID 4226,
or all of the above.
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emptywig
Huh? What?
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX
1 edit | Nothing to See Here
Yet another news story which is wholly lacking in any sort of , well, ummm, news.
wig
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starcaptor
join:2000-08-19
East Northport, NY
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| Dodge for how much longer?
Reading these posts the past few months about ISPs capping or throttling, both north and south of the border, I wonder how it is that my humble Verizon DSL has been able to avoid the crossfire so far?
I agree that its quite hilarious that ATT is using, amongst all things, a crappy network as a red herring to deter from the idea that they may or may not be participating in throttling. Also in general, anyone who replies using quotes from the original retort usually is hiding something |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| Gee, a megacorp lying?
Who'd a thought such a horrible thing could ever happen! How DARE they use a 3rd party tool to watch the network. If the megacorp says it's not managed, then it's not managed. Why, Comcast came out and admitted then don't manage their network, why should AT&T be held to a higher standard.
It's lies like this that will get them exactly what they DON'T want, which is legislation. Should they try this trick after net neutrality laws are passed, they should find themselves (and all their executives and employees) at the losing end of a bankrupting lawsuit.
You want to work for AT&T? Fine. But if your company is breaking the law, you pay the penalty too. If MORE companies had their employees held liable for breaking the law (criminal AND civil laws), then more companies would act in a responsible manner. I guarantee you the fat cat executive would think twice about breaking the law if he knew he would lose everything.
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
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Re: Only Bell South
'AT&T has a only had about a year since the takeover to clean up the bell south territory.'
Clean up? Seriously. Clean us up?
Simple answer here. Too many connections across equipment (modems, for one) that can't handle hundreds of connections opening and closing. That's a differentiator between at&t and bellsouth. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to karlmarx
Re: Gee, a megacorp lying?
Great logic.
This man isn't moving ergo he is definitely dead. |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
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Re: We aren't doing it on purpose
Here's an interesting tidbit to think about: When Comcast sends a forged RST packet, the computer on the other end of the line ALSO gets a forged packet (ie BellSouth) and it counts against them.
One bad apple spoils the bunch, and likewise Comcast sends RST packets to everyone skewing their results.
Note how all the ISPs on the bottom of the list are European ISPs. Since these statistics are gathered from actual BT traffic, not a controlled sample, this makes sense. Why? Well you can figure that the average American BT user is probably downloading the same files as another American BT user - heck Verizon shows up on the list with 11% of their traffic having resets - but those are all probably comming from being connected to Comcast BT users!
They guy in Paris using Orange to download a French screener never sees a Comcast IP and thus his RST statistics are much lower... |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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Re: Gee, a megacorp lying?
said by karlmarx :Who'd a thought such a horrible thing could ever happen! How DARE they use a 3rd party tool to watch the network. What lies? If the third party tool is indisputable in its accuracy, then I support your claim. Until then, Vuze's "test" is anything but scientific or definitive.said by karlmarx :they should find themselves (and all their executives and employees) at the losing end of a bankrupting lawsuit. Lawsuit? If net neutrality legislation is ever passed, what bankrupting lawsuit might you be referring to? Not that I expect net neutrality legislation to be written into law...let alone to your liking. |
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Dydion
join:2001-03-07
Baton Rouge, LA
1 edit | Maybe they ain't throttling...
but they're doing something. I've noticed since ATT took over that the newsgroup speeds have fluctuated and data tends to come in spurts. Aggravating. |
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slckusr
Premium
join:2003-03-17
Maumee, OH | seems fine for me
torrents working fine for me. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to bogey780
Re: Only Bell South
said by bogey780 :'AT&T has a only had about a year since the takeover to clean up the bell south territory.' Clean up? Seriously. Clean us up? Simple answer here. Too many connections across equipment (modems, for one) that can't handle hundreds of connections opening and closing. That's a differentiator between at&t and bellsouth. I have to agree with this. Bellsouth may have been a bunch of "good ol boys" but they had a much better network than SBC/AT&T with much loftier goals than U-Verse. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Camelot One
Re: We aren't doing it on purpose
said by Camelot One :said by nasadude :it's much more likely they are lying. I agree, but I think its hilarious that they are claiming incompetence rather than owning up to it. But why would only the Bellsouth transit network be involved, and not the AT&T Internet Services (formerly SBC Internet Service) transit network?
Like the other AT&T West customers, I am not seeing evidence of throttling. Trying to locate the Comcast Sandvine post which details how to test for forged RST packets; but, it just doesn't "feel" like there is any throttling on my end.
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Iknowenuff
join:2001-06-28
Riverside, CA | reply to bogey780
Re: Only Bell South
yet bell south is the only AT&T territory that high on the list. not saying AT&T has it perfect everywhere else but... |
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