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Comments on news posted 2008-04-30 18:19:01: AT&T's decision to stick with copper VDSL instead of running fiber has more drawbacks than just limiting the bandwidth the telco can offer consumers. ..

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Chuckles0
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?

So these large cabinets don't exist?


Dogfather
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What is the point?

This ad makes no sense from a business stand point.

I can see them spending the money if they wanted to try and generate opposition to the deployment, but if the box is already there, it's too late for this ad to be effective. As far as the customer is concerned, the 'damage is done' and they should just consider the new competitor.

brianiscool

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cool

Looks like a futuristic mail box.


jchambers28

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Alma, AR

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comcast ad

Thats funny and thats takes the cake right there


marigolds
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With the consent of the owner?

The VRADs are indeed large, cabinet-like boxes. But AT&T, in its complaint, says the boxes each serve up to 750 homes and only occasionally are placed on private property with the consent of the owner.
Do they mean that most of the time the VRADs are placed on private property without the consent of the owner?
Or is AT&T actually saying in a court filing that they will cancel plans to place a VRAD in an easement if the property owner does not want it there?
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EPS4

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Perhaps by "private property" they mean "private property without an easement"?


BabyBear
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Nice forced prespective!

Guess they could have taken the picture from a little lower perspective and would have made the VRAD look 2 stories tall, maybe hang one of those flying screaming monkeys off the side. King Kong style!

Typical of just about all ads now a days misleading without any substantive info.

My VRAD box isn't much bigger than the neighborhood POTS box that's also connected to a 3 story wooden pole.


JTRockville
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Why doesn't ATT run rebuttal ads with cable plant pictures

I'm sure Jonathon Kramer would give reprint permission for these:
»kramerfirm.com/pictures/displayi···up&pos=0


ptrowski
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AT&T should retort....

"The VRADS may be big, but we don't use Sandvine and we don't hate P2P."


lg75

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Bronx, NY

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reply to Dogfather

Re: What is the point?

said by Dogfather:

This ad makes no sense from a business stand point.

I can see them spending the money if they wanted to try and generate opposition to the deployment, but if the box is already there, it's too late for this ad to be effective. As far as the customer is concerned, the 'damage is done' and they should just consider the new competitor.
I don't live anywhere near Comcast or AT&T territory (believe me, I'm very grateful of that), but I would imagine that the deployment is still on-going. I would also imagine that if there is no demand for the product they would eventually delay or even cancel deployment in areas where it hasn't been yet deployed.


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response

snicker.

EngineerDave

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reply to marigolds

Re: With the consent of the owner?

There is a lease agreement when a cabinet is placed on private property.

openbox9
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Re: Nice forced prespective!

I have yet to see AT&T stick any box around here in front of someone's house. Every installation that I've seen is either conveniently masked by trees and surroundings and/or in unoccupied lots where the closest house is at least a block away.


snipper_cr
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reply to ptrowski

Re: AT&T should retort....

They probably hate P2P just as much as the next ISP, if not for the burden on the network the legal treats from the MPAA/RIAA.

Joe12345678

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Des Plaines, IL
reply to EPS4

Re: With the consent of the owner?

said by EPS4:

Perhaps by "private property" they mean "private property without an easement"?
some of them are on city / county land.


ctceo
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Pretty

Can't be any prettier than those comcast boxes that are pryed open by techs who loose the keys, ran into by cars, kicked by frustrated property owners, and then covered up with trash bag looking covers & duct tape, wires still hanging out and holes in the ground all over where they had wires ripped up from vandals who saw their opportunity.


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reply to ptrowski

Re: AT&T should retort....

said by ptrowski:

"The VRADS may be big, but we don't use Sandvine and we don't hate P2P."
Hmm, »www.slyck.com/story1640_ATT_P2P_···Consumer
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keyboard5684
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Re: Why doesn't ATT run rebuttal ads with cable plant pictures

Those are buried boxes (supposed to be closed BTW) and usually only stick up about 2 feet. They are about 8 inches by 8 inches in size. Also, those that you posted are usually used in areas like trailer parks or areas where a straight buried line can be put in place from dwelling to dwelling.

There is no comparison here. I would much rather have a big box in my yard than all these freaking wires the cable companies put on poles. I dream of a day where I can drive up the street and not see any wires hanging anywhere. It has gotten so bad here (electric, cable, telco, other providers fiber, more fiber, more fiber) it looks like a bad day at a data center.


newview
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please, Please, PLEASE . . .

. . . put one in my yard.


DrModem
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Re: Pretty

Or the houses Comcast techs blow up. They look particularly ugly.

R62006

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Re: please, Please, PLEASE . . .

No big deal REALLY..it's just blocking my window



Combat Chuck
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No really, I don't think I can see what your talking about. Can you maybe post a bigger image, because clearly the one you posted wasn't big enough.


phatlazybum
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Reminds me of a Rubbermaid storage cabinet, for some reason

bogey7806

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Looks like they put extra effort into making it look presentable. Considering that there's literally thousands of people with old rusted Western Electric crossboxes that do not even try and look aesthetically pleasing outside their window on old street corners.


battleop

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3 words. Pot, Kettle, Black

So Am I imagining things when I see metal battery boxes on telephone poles every half mile that belong to the cable company?


ninjatutle
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It sure beats the box one Comcast customer got

I bet Janice Ordidge would rather have the VRAD box....


DaddyyoursIam

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Lame

Comcast seriously needs to get a better marketing group. If this is their new strategy. Suppose next it will be a ad bashing the FCC for being "biased".


KrK
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reply to ptrowski

Re: AT&T should retort....

They are just planning on filtering everything.


Old_Grouch
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I'm no at&t fan ---- but

It took three days for me to get Comcast to answer the phone for a service question. And, I had to lie to the voice response unit and claim to be calling for new service to get past the "...we are very busy, please call at another time.".

at&t has seen the writing on the wall and many of the new boxes are far smaller and placed a bit more discretely. Guess it dawned on them that even when you win some fights, you really lose.


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reply to BillRoland

Re: AT&T should retort....

said by BillRoland:

said by ptrowski:

"The VRADS may be big, but we don't use Sandvine and we don't hate P2P."
Hmm, »www.slyck.com/story1640_ATT_P2P_···Consumer
You might want to read that article more closely. Nowhere in that article did they say they would even come to a successful fruition on it. There is some big questions to answer.

• If you witness a crime and did nothing are you liable?
• What's morally right?
• What's legally right?

That's about what I got out of the article. There's no clear answers. I don't expect it to come to fruition till there is clear answers. Which could take months to years.
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