MrMaster
What If
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join:2000-12-16
Austin, TX
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| it's horrible that they can cherry pick like this
At least they are offering 3mps. my parents (not in Mass.) just got broadband..if you consider 256k broadband. Still too slow for Skype even.
State granted monopolies just don't listen to government anymore. Too many official's pockets getting lined.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | fios
Perhaps it would be smarter to invest in FIOS gear rather than conditioning copper for DSL, and running fiber to DSLAMs, and buying DSLAMs, or is DSL cheaper since the copper plant is funded by the USF and FIOS plant isn't? |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Why Favor a Rate Hike?
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... but last year almost forced Verizon to (gasp) pay property taxes in the State (they've been exempt since 1915).
Why would anyone be in favor of a tax hike on business? They will simply pass this tax down to the consumer in the form of higher prices.
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Re: it's horrible that they can cherry pick like this
Finally the government getting off its ass and forcing companies to live up to their bargains. Personally, I don't think private businesses should be given tax breaks, allowed to offshore, and skip taxes to begin with. I read somewhere th at a large majority of companies either dodge or underpay taxes due to offshore shelling accounts. It costs this country hundred of billions, while average joe has to pay or go to jail. Disgusting. I would have forced them to do this and kept the taxes in place to begin with. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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2 edits |  Verizon expansion details for Massachusetts
»www22.verizon.com/about/communit···0408.pdf
Towns getting DSL:
The new communities in western Massachusetts where Verizon will offer its High Speed Internet
service are Becket, Blandford, Colrain, Cummington, Florida, Goshen, Hancock, Heath, Leverett,
Leyden, Middlefield, Monroe, Montgomery, New Ashford, New Marlborough, Pelham, Plainfield,
Rowe, Sandisfield, Tolland, Westhampton, Windsor, and Worthington. Towns getting DSL speeds upped to 7 mbps:
The new communities where Verizon will launch its new 7 Mbps High Speed Internet service are
Brimfield, Bolton, Berlin, Bernardston, Chester, Chesterfield, Charlemont, Conway, Gilbertville,
Granville, Hubbardston, Hampden, Huntington, Harvard, Hatfield, Millers Fall, Northfield, Oakham,
Otis, Petersham, Russell, Stockbridge, Siasconset, and West Stockbridge. Towns getting Fios TV in 2008:
The new communities where Verizon will apply for FiOS TV licenses will include Ashland, Bellingham,
Billerica, Danvers, Dover, Easton, Grafton, Hanover, Hingham, Hudson, Hull, Kingston,
Lakeville, Malden, Marblehead, Mansfield, Maynard, Middleton, Milford, Millbury, North Andover,
Northborough, Plymouth, Stoughton, Stow, Sutton, Taunton, Walpole, Westford, and Weston. --
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | reply to pnh102
Re: Why Favor a Rate Hike?
Well, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is in a complete fiscal mess and has the highest per capita debt out of any state in the country... It's not just sheer hatred for Verizon or something. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by EPS  :Well, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is in a complete fiscal mess and has the highest per capita debt out of any state in the country... It's not just sheer hatred for Verizon or something. Then perhaps the government of Massachusetts should cut spending to match the amount of tax collected.
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mlx52
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join:2007-06-17
Winnetka, IL | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Verizon expansion details for Massachusetts
Hopefully Verizon will bring DSL to the northern part of Wisconsin as well. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
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Re: Why Favor a Rate Hike?
That sounds just great when you put it in vague, faceless economic terms. When you start actually looking at the budget, however...
Oh, and did I mention that Massachusetts is a one-party state? The Republicans are only challenging 29% of the seats in the legislature- that's right, if every single one of them wins, they still won't have even a third of the seats... people keep voting for Democrats and calls for more spending. |
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by EPS :That sounds just great when you put it in vague, faceless economic terms. When you start actually looking at the budget, however... There's always plenty that can be cut in a state budget if you are willing to look hard enough. Things like welfare spending, aid for illegals, tax money for new sports stadiums (I don't know if they do this in MA but I am including it to be fair).
said by EPS :Oh, and did I mention that Massachusetts is a one-party state? ... people keep voting for Democrats and calls for more spending. Well part of the problem there is that many people have simply given up on states like that. They just pack up and move to cheaper states. Inevitably, that helps to persist one-party rule.
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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And why should business be allowed to underpay, skip taxes, or offshore accounts to hide their assets. They should pay their fair share like everyone else. I don't care where you live. They should be held accountable. I don't even agree with the tax break given to them. Not only are many of these companies given said tax breaks, but are highly subsidized with tax payer money to even build in these areas. RIDICULOUS. Private business needs to be privately funded. I don't see how their profitable capital venture should fall onto tax payers. As per the tax being passed to consumers, competition usually stifles and limits the cost one can charge, pending there is some in the area. We're back to issue one in many cases of states cherry picking and giving these businesses prime deals that let them stay on top. That's not one else's fault but the governments. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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1 edit | reply to mlx52
Re: Verizon expansion details for Massachusetts
said by mlx52 :Hopefully Verizon will bring DSL to the northern part of Wisconsin as well. Check out Verizon's latest news releases for DSL in Wisconsin:
»newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···h=Search
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amarryat
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join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
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| reply to EPS
Re: Why Favor a Rate Hike?
said by EPS :Oh, and did I mention that Massachusetts is a one-party state? The Republicans are only challenging 29% of the seats in the legislature And they occupy even less than that. Unbelievable, especially with the one party corruption that has gone on forever, and appears to be alive and strong if you have watched the recent news on the speaker. |
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
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said by jc100 :And why should business be allowed to underpay, skip taxes, or offshore accounts to hide their assets. They should pay their fair share like everyone else. Because the cost of any tax to a business is just more overhead that will get passed on down to th consumer in the form of higher prices.
said by jc100 :I don't care where you live. They should be held accountable. You can hold any business you like accountable... just don't buy from them.
said by jc100 :I don't even agree with the tax break given to them. Not only are many of these companies given said tax breaks, but are highly subsidized with tax payer money to even build in these areas. A tax break is not the same as a subsidy. I am all for tax breaks to encourage broadband deployment to unserved areas. We always hear people here whining and whining about how XYZ company doesn't serve a particular area but now we hear whining that they are serving a particular area. What is it going to be?
said by jc100 :We're back to issue one in many cases of states cherry picking and giving these businesses prime deals that let them stay on top. That's not one else's fault but the governments. There's nothing wrong with cherry picking. Why should businesses be compelled to serve areas that are not profitable? These tax breaks are one way to make more unprofitable areas profitable, and thus, have at least one broadband provider. It is a win-win for everyone involved.
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mlx52
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join:2007-06-17
Winnetka, IL | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Verizon expansion details for Massachusetts
Thanks for the link, unfortunately, Door County in Wisconsin still isn't served by Verizon DSL. |
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to jc100
Re: Why Favor a Rate Hike?
You make no sense.
I incorporated. That means that in addition to my fed, state, fica tax, I also have to pay more tax for the privilege of being a business. Businesses provide jobs, and all these people with jobs pay tons of taxes. Why should you penalize businesses. That stifles business. |
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haplo2112
join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA
| Calling Charlton a duolopoly is a lie
For nearly 95% of the town there is only one Broadband provider Charter Cable. There is no competition from Verizon DSL since nearly all of the town's residents are out of the DSL service area.
Lies DAMN lies.
On the whole Charter treats us like an ugly red headed step child on top of that so the whole situation sucks. The town government doesn't help as they do nothing to try to encourage a fix to the problem. The Cable contract is being re-done currently in there is NOTHING in there about improving service. In case anyone from the town reads here is a hit; local access is a lark, stop basing negotiations on it and work for improving and enhancing services. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Re: Why Favor a Rate Hike?
I suck at HTML so ill just pate you line to line. Sorry
B.S. Companies can only pass the buck so much and then consumers go elsewhere. That's just an excuse for giving companies the world and expecting nothing for it. That's the same excuse these companies always use and give to their lobbyists to compel politicians to sit down and hand everything to them.
How does not buying from them hold them accountable for states giving them the world? That doesn't solve anything. Is your rationale they will then just bow down and close shop? Hah, they'll just demand more tax breaks and subsidies to stick around. Yes, states are GIVING them money FROM TAX PAYERS... IE PENNSYLVANIA and others for Verizon I think where they didnt even do the build out and kept it.
Sure it is. You are EXEMPTING them from paying their share of income to the state, which reduces the revenue they have to spend. Companies should be encouraged to enter areas but not at the expense of the community / state they are servicing. Sure one argument goes that the jobs they create will offset the tax break by having the workers pay taxes.
Yet, why should the burden ONLY fall on the workers. We're back to the same argument of the bottom percent paying the most taxes while the top 10 percent don't. How is that any bit fair? So more or less, you think that you should be covering everything in your community while the local businesses get a free ride? Is that what you're telling me? As per the subsidies, read up. They are given money directly and hand outs at tax payers expenses. You can google many times over how companies are given land, buildings, assets to come to a place beyond simple tax breaks. Hell, they are building a company where I live and the city paid for half the building.
Cherry picking is good for no one. It usually comes at the cost of the consumer who sees one company giving said service at an over inflated price. There by, they own that market and set their rate without competition. I'd rather let the natural rule of business take over where companies have to compete for a market. There's no win win about it. Trust me, companies will come in and service areas if there is a demand. While yes, some areas do get overlooked, that usually gets solved once again via the natural process. Sure it doesn't work every time. Then yes, that's when you offer help but make sure you get what you paid for and not have some company offer years of excuses as to why it cant be done. |
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KraziJoe
join:2006-09-08
Alexandria, VA | reply to pnh102
Well, if the state/town/county gets more revenue from the businesses then they might be able to lower tax rates for the citizens. |
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woody7
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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
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| reply to pnh102
"There's nothing wrong with cherry picking. Why should businesses be compelled to serve areas that are not profitable? "
That is fine as Long as they don't try to stifle someone that comes in a tries too. Can we say "Lafayette" LA
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