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Verbena, AL | oh really... What did Google really expect to happen? | |
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Greenwich, CT | Re: oh really... Can't get in the way of money... | |
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| | | said by neosolace:What did Google really expect to happen? If Google wanted real "open access", then they should have bid on the spectrum "TO WIN" and put their money where their big fat mouth was. But they wanted the gravy without paying for the meat. Now they are just whining to daddy(FCC) to bail them out.
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| | JohnAPremium
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: oh really...
Exactly! Don't game the auction, if you don't want the winners to game the open access provisions. Didn't put up ..... Shut up. | |
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| | | | said by fAcEtIOUs:said by neosolace:What did Google really expect to happen? If Google wanted real "open access", then they should have bid on the spectrum "TO WIN" and put their money where their big fat mouth was. But they wanted the gravy without paying for the meat. Now they are just whining to daddy(FCC) to bail them out. I usually don't post "ditto" posts, but I'm going to this time  Google seems to have stumbled, somehow believing their "we're Google" invincibility would magically make this all work. Wireless is a real brick-and-mortar world; you can't build a network like you build and release a new feature with an army of young programmers and Linux boxes... | |
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| | | They wanted their cake and eat it too.
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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| said by neosolace:What did Google really expect to happen? They expected the FCC to actually do it's job or something?
Noobs! | |
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| | It's the FCC, what do you expect? You know the FCC, the Fusking Corrupt Commission!
The most corrupt of all the govt. agencies by far! | |
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| Hey now It's better than nothing, right? At least there is some traction for the FCC to make 700Mhz network operators be interoperable.
The Comcast packet forging was already deemed unreasonable network management, I think they can apply the same standards to Verizon. Of course, Martin doesn't always apply the same standards to phone and cable. | |
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| | You forgot one thing.... while the "hey wow I can actually use my connection" tier -- to be launched at the end of this year -- won't be well marketed and will likely cost a pretty penny. Then, when users don't flock to the poorly advertised, pricey service, Verizon will declare that the lack of subscribers is proof that people don't want open access. Thus, they will "encourage" the FCC to drop the open access requirement so that the Open Access tier could be canceled.
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| | | Re: You forgot one thing.... that's not 1st step; first step is to pretty much ignore the spirit of the conditions and see if they get yelled at.
if they get yelled at, then they do what you say. | |
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Blacksburg, VA | They knew Google saw this coming a mile away. I don't think they realized how important it was to consumers until now. Bad move on their part and they are trying to make up for it. | |
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| | Oh, right... Let's all acknowledge that Verizon is doing a bad thing, but pile on Google like they're no better. Compare Verizon and Google, in your mind. Now do it again, and then explain why we're complaining about Google here. | |
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| | Good job Verizon! I can't stand Verizon and I do think that they are too greedy but....finely someone is standing up to Google. Google runs those dirty business practices like Apple. They think that they are the only one with a brain and everyone else is a bunch of idiots. They had so much money to spend and buy all of the 700 frequency...they didn't! Now they are crying! Buuuu Good job Verizon! | |
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| Mike_343I Need Speed.
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1 edit | Re: Good job Verizon! said by Dalmatian28 :
I can't stand Verizon and I do think that they are too greedy but....finely someone is standing up to Google. Google runs those dirty business practices like Apple. They think that they are the only one with a brain and everyone else is a bunch of idiots. They had so much money to spend and buy all of the 700 frequency...they didn't! Now they are crying! Buuuu Good job Verizon!
umm what dirty buisness practices? Google is nothing like apple. Since when do they sell software and computers or better yet what do they sell to consumers at all? | |
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| | | | Re: Good job Verizon! One can conclude that they stole their ad software...
But Googles business motto is "Don't be evil."
I have found the greatest ideas are often stolen... from people who are obviously not smart enough to get a patent...
hmmm... weird... | |
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Hingham, MA | Too early? Has VZW even announced or done anything relating to open access end-user policies? Just seems to be paranoia. | |
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| RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Re: Too early? Massive amounts of Google PR lip flapping, nothing more. People continue to forget that Google is an advertising company and they are very good at promoting themselves via press release and posturing.
Before the end of the decade they will be as hated as Microsoft is now.
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| |  CylonRedPremium,MVM
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Bloom County | Re: Too early? And I have yet to figure out why Google got to where it is now - I am flummoxed as to how they did it. Maybe because pure marketing does not sway me in my decisions.
I still use Yahoo because its search is no worse than Google. I have yet to not be able to find anything I search for on Yahoo and I have no need for all of the other free goodies they advertise.
Just like with Apple - I have not swallowed the Kool-Aid and caved adn bought a ixxxx and I won't just like I have no need for Google branded anything. | |
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| Re: Too early? said by CylonRed:And I have yet to figure out why Google got to where it is now Because they offered a decent (superior, IMHO but YMMV) search engine that returned uncluttered results free of any mandate from the corporate overlords to become a "portal"? Because they had a legitimately new idea (at the time) of basing search rankings off the number of sites that link to you, thus returning more relevant results?
said by CylonRed:I still use Yahoo because its search is no worse than Google. I would debate that point but even if I concede that it's true today it definitely wasn't true when Google first appeared on the scene. Search used to be a nightmare of less then helpful results and cluttered search engines trying to be everything (portals) and keep you on their sites as long as possible. Google was the first outfit that came up with the theory of getting you OFF their site as quickly as possible by returning relevant results with an uncluttered user interface.
Google has done some things that I'm not real thrilled about (*cough* G-mail privacy policy *cough*) but you are blind if you think they haven't revolutionized search. | |
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Bloom County | Re: Too early? I don't find anything in Yahoo that is cluttered - I have a MyYahoo so I can see stock and mutual funds I own and see the news in one place all neatly organized (even a couple of years ago). I have yet to come across a search that had any where near different results than Google.
I used Google a few times when it first came out and went - "what is the fuss all about...? It's a search engine." Even with rankings - which in my experience - is not horribly accurate even today. I am just as likely to find the link I need with a ranking of 85% than getting a link ranked at 95+%.
I still have the same reaction today to Google, when I do use it. | |
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| said by RadioDoc:Before the end of the decade they will be as hated as Microsoft is now. That would be an epic achievement. They'd have to really start screwing people over for a lot of money in short order to have a chance of reaching that milestone....
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| | | RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Re: Too early? For a good part of Google's life they were an entrepreneurial private company run by some smart people who liked what they were building. Then the money came, and with it public ownership.
Microsoft paved this path two decades ago. I suggest you read up on what Google has been up to for the last couple of years.
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| | From Big Red . . . Jeffrey Nelson here at Verizon Wireless. Just want to note:
1) Our open development program is on track, capturing the imagination of developers who we expect will bring new devices and applications to the marketplace later this year. Any company committed to openness encourages this kind of innovation and competition.
2) It's really no surprise that despite not winning spectrum, Google continues to try to change the rules and further their own business interests through the regulatory process. We'll likely file at the Federal Communications Commission within the next several days on this matter.
3) Verizon Wireless - and all the other participants in the recent 700 MHz spectrum auction - understood the FCC's rules for using that spectrum in advance of the auction. Of course we'll abide by those rules. As we work to put the spectrum we won to good use, if Google or anybody else has evidence that we aren't playing by the rules, there are legitimate and expedited ways to address that.
Thanks for the opportunity to comment. If you want to ping me directly, I'm on Jeffrey.Nelson@VerizonWireless.com | |
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