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Comments on news posted 2008-05-11 09:53:01: Congress has been considering a bill called the PRO-IP Act since late last year and the House of Representatives has now decided to pass that bill. ..

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Rob
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So much for a smaller government...

As our national debt grows, so does our government.


AnonProxy
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I ABSOLUTELY blame Bush on this one, and every other idiot politician that votes for it.


yock
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The Voting Record

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»clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll300.xml


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Re: So much for a smaller government...

said by AnonProxy See Profile :

I ABSOLUTELY blame Bush on this one, and every other idiot politician that votes for it.
Blame the whole Congress. It passed 410-11. This wasn't a BUSH bill.

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H.R. 4279 puts resources toward aiding a sector of the economy that employs an estimated 18 million workers - 13% of our labor force - and accounts for half of all US exports, driving 40% of the country's growth.

As a result of less than effective enforcement, however, counterfeiting and piracy costs the United States economy between 200 and 250 billion dollars every year, and results in the loss of 750,000 American jobs.

H.R. 4279 will do four important things:

First, it will prioritize intellectual property protection to the highest level of our government by creating an office in the White House that will be responsible for coordinating the IP efforts of eight diverse agencies and producing a national Joint Strategic Plan for IP enforcement.

Second, it will elevate IP enforcement within the Justice Department and provide more resources for investigating and prosecuting IP crimes.

Third, it will make changes to both civil and criminal IP laws to enhance the ability of intellectual property owners to effectively protect their rights.

And, it will increase penalties for IP violations that endanger public health and safety.

H.R. 4279 is now supported by a number of key industries and associations, including the Consumer Electronics Association, the Digital Media Association, the Net Coalition, the Internet Commerce Coalition, the Coalition for Consumers' Pictures Rights, and the Printing Industries of America.

This is in addition to support we already had from the Teamsters, the Directors Guild of America, SEIU, AFTRA, Unite Here, AFM, OPEIU, the Coalition Against Counterfeiting and Piracy, the Motor Equipment Manufacturing Association, the Motion Picture Association of America, PHARMA, and NBC Universal.
And it passed so easily because intellectual property is such a huge part of the US economy and an even bigger part of US exports.
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Ok I am modifying this. I checked EFF and this ONLY PASSED the HOUSE. No similar legislation is in the Senate. Let's hope the Senate has more brains. Don't let us down Harry Reid. Really, please... The last thing this country needs to worry about when all is going to hell is copyright laws. Let's get some jobs infused into the economy and fix our dollar's value. Also, lets spur the housing market. O wait, those are real issues. The House obviously has done such a wonderful job, they can focus on the mundane now... Grr, Stupid people in the House (Democrats and Republicans) need to have 20 public lashings each.


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Ron Paul

I don't even have to look, I know Ron Paul voted no. He's the only one who cares about normal Americans, the rest of them are elitist assholes. Either way, it's not up to the government to enforce copyright, the RIAA/MPAA has to do that job.
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Re: So much for a smaller government...

I wonder where they will get the money to prosecute and bring to trail those who did get caught illegally file trading content.

Sure it protects American business from stolen content outside bounds internally and externally but this will just put more strain on the already overworked court system, or do they plan on having a special court for these type of cases?

jc100

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Mich,

Hate to burst your bubble but the U.S. isn't the top copyright violator. That honor falls to Russia, China, and some others. Merely, this law will do little but fill the pockets of the RIAA at the expense of college kids and children whose parents get sued on their behalf.


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Re: Ron Paul

said by texans20 See Profile :

I don't even have to look, I know Ron Paul voted no. He's the only one who cares about normal Americans, the rest of them are elitist assholes. Either way, it's not up to the government to enforce copyright, the RIAA/MPAA has to do that job.
Your confidence is confirmed in the voting record, just so you know. =)


tc1uscg

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Doesn't change a thing.

So, this changes what? Am I going to change the way I get and/or listen to music? Nope. The more the govt clamps down and steers away from the people who voted them into office, the more people revolt.

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Re: Ron Paul

Ron paul gives 2 shits about the U.S. as most other politicians. I hate to burst your bubble. His voting record falls within the Republican Party around 75 percent of the time. If that speaks for anything, that means he is no different than the idiot we got running things at this current junction. Then again, the Democrats in the House don't seem to be a shining prize either. We seriously need to find some HONEST people to run this country in favor of American's again. These days, we're the Corporate States of America at the behest of anyone standing in their way.


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said by jc100 See Profile :

His voting record falls within the Republican Party around 75 percent of the time.
That's an interesting statistic, but did you know that only one other member of Congress votes less frequently with their party, and that's Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland Republican (source: Washington Post)? Did you know that most of Paul's agreements with the Republican party appear to be votes for adjournment or "nay" votes to spending bills (source: Washington Post)?

Raw statistics mean nothing, you need context and the context you've meant to imply doesn't jive with reality.


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copyrights are important!

I just came across this message board and I have to say I'm totally mystified by what I am seeing here.

Copyrights are VITAL to our national interest. The person who created a work of art or literature or prose, etc., etc., MUST have ownership over that work. It should be his/hers/theirs to do with as they will and that includes selling rights to all or part of it to entities that are proficient in marketing and selling the work to get the absolute best financial return from it.

I'm a libertarian myself, and completely all for a small government - but not smaller than it has to be. I wouldn't eliminate other laws against theft (make no mistake, copyright violation IS theft!) and eliminate our police forces in the name of smaller government, for instance. I despise both democrats and republicans for what they've done to this country. But protecting copyright is a vital government function, no different than protecting people from any other kind of thieves.

I can't really get my head around the things you guys are saying. It seems like it's more or less "I should get everything for free, and if I don't it's because 'big corporations' are 'ripping off the little guy'" ??? (also don't forget the always popular "it's Bush's fault") I mean, are you serious ? Am I or are my bandmates or fellow musicians "big corporations" ??? Am I supposed to take all my talent, training, and hard work and create something, then let others just take it from me and use it however they want without my permission?

I ... just don't get it... I don't get where you guys are coming from. You're talking about libertarian ideals and smaller government and whatnot - well one of the primary libertarian ideals and values is that you do not have the right to the labor and property of another private individual. What minimal government we should have MUST protect your right to your own property and labor.


mrchris
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Copyrights should be brought back to the 14 year original and only maxing out at 20.

Crap like Mickey Mouse should have been in public domain by now.


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Re: So much for a smaller government...

"stolen content outside bounds internally and externally"

I am well aware of that, when I said externally I was referring to other countries. I have visited foreign countries before and I see all the bootleg CDs for 10 pesos (2USD as of current pricing) available for sale on street corners.

China, Russia and other countries are no different, which is why I am indirectly asking where would the court system obtain the money and resources to prosecute alleged criminals from foreign and domestic identities.

jc100

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Re: Ron Paul

Raw statistics mean nothing, agreed. When put into the context of how the puppets running this country (Bush and Party) and others are doing, then it means a while lot. Spending is paramount but there is more to life than spending. Iraq? Quagmire. Social Security and Health care? Economic reform? Etc. So far, Bush and the Republicans fail miserably at this. Seriously, the only difference between Republicans and Democrats is basically this: One party (Democrats) gives you a little lube via Social Reforms while screwing you. IE, Democrats tend to give people a little for their money before pissing away the rest. However, they tax to pay for their pissing which creates a balance budget. Not much better, considering they spend as bad as the next guy. On the flip side, you got the Republicans who are Pro Business and love to make anti consumer laws. Spending on the Republican side ALWAYS comes in the form of adding TRILLIONS to the national deficit and devaluing the U.S. Dollar. Regan, Bush, Sr, and Bush Jr with his whopping 5-6 trillion addition. Not to mention, we seem to always end up in wars when these idiots take office. Last, religion and anti choice morality crap are their mainstay issues. So while I'd love to vote for Ron Paul, I don't see him side tracking from these areas of concern. More or less, I wish we had people who gave a damn about the U.S. Neither party really does. You're stuck voting for who you think will screw things up the least. Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance. Quite honestly, I liked Bill Richardson. He seemed like a Semi Honest guy.

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Re: copyrights are important!

i agree 14 year limit i mean seriously after 14years you have been compensated. look at drug patents, the company gets a certain amount of years to profit and then its open to generics.
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reply to HEDP
Re: So much for a smaller government...

said by HEDP See Profile :

China, Russia and other countries are no different, which is why I am indirectly asking where would the court system obtain the money and resources to prosecute alleged criminals from foreign and domestic identities.
The US gets their own countries to prosecute them thru the trade agreement process and the WTO international trade organization. While it is not easy to do that, other countries, because they have their own IP issues, are starting to prosecute copyright infringement. More and more countries are falling in to line with US wishes on this issue.
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fuziwuzi
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Re: copyrights are important!

said by Kearnstd See Profile :

i agree 14 year limit i mean seriously after 14years you have been compensated. look at drug patents, the company gets a certain amount of years to profit and then its open to generics.
Unless you're a pharmaceutical company who can purchase a Congressman in order to get a patent extension that only covers your cash-cow drug.


AtlGuy

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reply to music guy
There are laws already on the books. Prosecute using the laws that we have now. There's no reason whatsoever to create a copyright cop, when we're drowning in debt.
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