zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN | bad idea
they already make millions from google they dont need any more |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | They probably want a revenue source separate from Google- who knows if Google will decide one day it wants a "Google Browser"? |
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tempnexus
Premium
join:1999-08-11
Boston, MA | go for it
I think they should do it and kill any support they had gained over the past few years. I say go for it and die a lonely death. |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26 | This is fun stuff
I keep an old machine running with a script that refreshes a webpage image of a gaping bunghole every 30 seconds.
Odd thing, I keep getting Preparation-H ads on pages. Hmm ...
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | reply to tempnexus
Re: go for it
If it's optional and not a default setting, why would anyone care? |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD |  Just for the record . . .
I hereby opt-out . . . forever. |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Brooklyn NYC
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Re: go for it
said by EPS  :If it's optional ... Because upon newfound money, optional morphs into opt-out, then it becomes a permanent fixture. The frog always gets boiled slowly.
Bob
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Well I'd have a bit more faith in Mozilla since it's not a publicly traded company, and the over-arching holding entity is a non-profit... though I suppose that could easily change very quickly. |
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tempnexus
Premium
join:1999-08-11
Boston, MA
2 edits | reply to TamaraB
said by TamaraB :said by EPS :If it's optional ... Because upon newfound money, optional morphs into opt-out, then it becomes a permanent fixture. The frog always gets boiled slowly. Bob Exactly!
Now that they gained a few percent user base they are turning into MS. Goes to show that no matter what, any company will turn into MS GIANT LIKE when given enough support.
And no, EPS have no faith in companies when money is in the picture.
Rule #1) When money is involved who cares about the consumer.
Now if their support user base dramatically drops after they implement it then they can easily copout by saying: "Oh it was on trial basis only" wait a few years and try again.
If the user base doesn't drop then HELLO perma Opt-In. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to TamaraB
Not that what you're suggesting is likely to happen, but if it did, you would see the source code fork and new projects pop up without the "option". |
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Spiral
No Easy Way To Be Free.
Premium
join:2003-03-04
Baltimore, MD | I need an incentive
I'll opt-in if they send me an Amazon $25 coupon every month. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
|  Opt-in choice means few will use it devaluing data collected
I suspect few will choose to opt-in to this collection of their browsing habits. And that makes the data they collect suspect, because those who opt-in will NOT be the typical user advertisers want to target.
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Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan
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Re: bad idea
yeah, very bad idea.. I'm sure the opt in will be like those apps that try to slide in a Google/yahoo tool bar during install. You won't catch it if you are a person who clicks next repeatedly until install completes.. Damn, now I'll have to change to Opera.... |
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Markus
join:2005-05-27
Middlesboro, KY
| I wouldn't opt in, but...
...I don't have the same apparent hatred of the accumulation of wealth that so many here seem to have. It seems like anything a company does, even as innocuous as this opt-in tracking, sends many posters into ridiculous anti-capitalist and greedy corporations rants. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Track this!
It's not Mozilla that I would fear in this ... it's the people to whom they sell the information. One of the biggest fears we should have on the internet is the corporate advertising companies ... It's one thing to take 8 minutes out of every half hour of television for in your face advertising, but internet ads are insidious and we have negligible control over them. |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | I'd opt in
Why not? |
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dualsub2006
join:2007-07-18
Newport, KY
| reply to zed260
Re: bad idea
The Google deal ends soon. This fall or next, I don't remember. There has been no word on Google renewing the deal. About 95% of their income was from their search deal with Google.
They will have to do something long term to survive. They have a lot of cash on hand, but it will only get them so far. I hope that Google will renew their agreement with them. |
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lvlorpheus
join:2008-02-17
Eureka Springs, AR | reply to tempnexus
Re: go for it
Ahhh, come on this is Firefox, someone will write the most popular add-on ever. Perma Opt-Out for Firefox. |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Brooklyn NYC
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :Not that what you're suggesting is likely to happen... It ALL depends on how much money was involved. If the Firefox "model" of tracking becomes a financial success for marketers, then ANYTHING is possible. According to the Original Article: ... but it would make Mozilla more money, and isn't that why we're all on this planet? Windowz took this frog-boiling approach. When I used DOS, this was never an issue, nor was it in Windows 3.1. The entire frog-boil industry of spying and tracking was begun slowly, and it grew to the point where none interested in privacy, could ever use M$ products again.
Everything which turns a "profit" eventually turns corrupt! The term "Non-Profit" is really a misnomer. It refers to where the profits go, not to the actual making of profit itself. One of the richest, biggest, and most powerful "non-profit" on the planet is the Catholic Church.
IMHO, this would be Firefox's first step towards corruption, and ruin. Use your Calculus training, and stretch the limits of Firefox's "Money-function" to the limits, and see where it can lead.
Bob
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R4M0N
Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA
·Comcast
| reply to Warez_Zealot
Re: bad idea
said by Warez_Zealot :yeah, very bad idea.. I'm sure the opt in will be like those apps that try to slide in a Google/yahoo tool bar during install. You won't catch it if you are a person who clicks next repeatedly until install completes.. Damn, now I'll have to change to Opera.... Wait... so you want them to code the install procedure like Vista does when you want to change something?
- You clicked Next. Are you sure?
- You clicked you're sure. Are you sure?
The google toolbar install is on its own screen with the user having to actively click next before moving to the next one. You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. At some point, the responsibility has to be in the user's hands. |
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