Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL | Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL...
It's 2008 and I'm still only able to get 1.5/256 from AT&T, whereas Comcast offers 8/768 + powerboost. |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
| not fios everywhere
What is prob going to happen is that verizon is not keeping its dsl network up. They also dont plan on rolling fios out everywhere so whereever cable is and fios wont be they will lose customers but gain customeers in fios areas.
Eventually it will all even out . Cables networks will even out and get better because there will be less users on it.
So in the end everything will even out .Not one company will have a big users base over the other. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
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I'd argue that it's not the longer install times, but that for the average user, the difference in the two products is imperceptible. People simply don't care whether they have DSL or Cable as they are both about the same price, the initial term pricing offers are about the same, and Myspace is just as fast on their 3Mbps DSL as it is on 10Mbps cable. |
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| Analysts....
"If you folks recall, many analysts predicted......"
There is a saying that goes like this:
"In a bull market, you don't need analysts, in a bear market, they will kill you".
"Analysts" also thought Fios was not a good idea, but there are few who feel that way now.
This is why I believe telcos will continue to upgrade, and Verizon will get away from DSL by continuing to deploy FTTH. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
| Heh, I'm one of those 19000
DSL wins on cost, but download speed is lacking. I think the telcos are going to have to compete on service and being customer friendly. They have to do better about repairing problems and offering to new customers.
Cable's weakness is their anti-customer network management policies, I think the DSL providers could make a pitch as being "network neutral" and hurt cable that way. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to majortom1029
Re: not fios everywhere
Even out in what 2020 when the U.S. sees fios nationally and everywhere else in the world is sitting pretty on 10 gigabit lines while the U.S. is seeing its first 50/30 standard? |
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
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join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| reply to Rob
Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL...
said by Rob  :It's 2008 and I'm still only able to get 1.5/256 from AT&T, whereas Comcast offers 8/768 + powerboost. All I can get from the mighty telco is their femtoband® dialup product.
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blowhard
@bellsouth.com | reply to Rob
year 2008 and i can't get cable tv but can get 6 meg dsl....see, i can do it too! |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK | reply to Rob
8/768 IF it is a protocol they approve of. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
 ·Comcast
| said by bjbrock :8/768 IF it is a protocol they approve of. Which is pretty much every protocol except "one". Still 100x better than AT&T. |
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Corydon
Cultivant son jardin
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join:2008-02-18
Denver, CO
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| reply to axus
Re: Heh, I'm one of those 19000
said by axus :DSL wins on cost, but download speed is lacking. I think the telcos are going to have to compete on service and being customer friendly. They have to do better about repairing problems and offering to new customers. Cable's weakness is their anti-customer network management policies, I think the DSL providers could make a pitch as being "network neutral" and hurt cable that way. Competing on price is not a good way to grow the bottom line. Once you start doing that, you're going to end up with razor thin margins and flat growth.
I also disagree that cable's network management policies are much of an Achilles' heel. First of all, very few subscribers follow the business to the same extent we all do; I'd be very surprised if the majority of Comcast's subscribers were even aware of the whole P2P flap that got so much press.
I'd also be surprised if most people are aware of the soft caps that are currently in place, considering how few people they actually affect.
All cable has to do over most of its footprint is roll out DOCSIS 3, which will blow just about any DSL offering out of the water and will for all intents and purposes match anything Verizon can offer with FiOS. Then sell the speed and bury the cap notification in the TOS. Yeah, we'll know what they're up to, but we're a tiny minority.
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | Wasn't it...
...just last week where it was posted that the level of broadband penetration is at a level where all new service subscriptions are starting to level off? |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to Rob
Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL...
I can get ADSL from AT&T at 1500/384kbps
ADSL from DSL-Extreme at 3008/512kbps (AT&T claims that I've moved 2000' from their CO  )
I can get Uverse from 1.5/1Mbps to 10Mbps/1.5Mbps... as long as I either order TV or purchase business.
I can get TWC HSI (TWC is supposedly redoing their fiber in my area) - good for 10Mbps/1Mbps.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
|  reply to axus
Re: Heh, I'm one of those 19000
said by axus :Cable's weakness is their anti-customer network management policies, I think the DSL providers could make a pitch as being "network neutral" and hurt cable that way. DSLR users are not typical users.
Most people don't give a fig about "Network Neutrality" and the only thing they care about are "How Much?" and 1 bill for TV & internet & maybe telephone access. So, pitching some concept like a neutral network won't be seen in the TV commercials and in mailings to potential customers.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
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Re: not fios everywhere
said by jc100 :Even out in what 2020 when the U.S. sees fios nationally and everywhere else in the world is sitting pretty on 10 gigabit lines while the U.S. is seeing its first 50/30 standard? Fios, at least the Verizon version, is not going to be national - ever.
Here is where they have wired access in the US and where they MIGHT install Fios:
The purple are Verizon wired territories. And not all the states shown have Verizon wired throughout the state. See this link to see each state and where Verizon has WIRED coverage:
»www22.verizon.com/wholesale/solu···inemap/#
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | And you can knock off Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire since they just sold those areas to Farpoint. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
| said by Jodokast96 :And you can knock off Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire since they just sold those areas to Farpoint. Yes, the above map doesn't reflect those recent changes yet.
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jt425
@comcast.net | reply to jc100
comcast already does 50/5 in a few markets |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Heh, I'm one of those 19000
Until the sites have to start educating them because they are being shafted by the lack of network neutrality.... |
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an00n
@mindspring.com | reply to axus
ppfff Verizon only offer 768/128 on my area CO is too far, while Cable is offering 10/512 now that is a no brainier  |
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