zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN
1 edit | hd bandwith
i think a more accurate way to view this hd war is in total amount of bandwidth dedicated to hd |
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ | No sympathy from me
Cablevision is pulling almost 10% of my channels with no decrease in rates. In fact, if I want to keep those channels, I have to pay 50% more than I pay now. |
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whiteyonenh
join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH
clubs:
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to zed260
Re: hd bandwith
said by zed260  :i think a more accurate way to view this hd war is in total amount of bandwidth dedicated to hd Ok viewed that way, bandwidth could be construed as a big difference than amount of channels. Have you ever seen an over-compressed hd channel on cable or sattelite?
Bandwidth is only 1/2 the equation, but if they're claiming HD based on the resolution, and compressing it so much that it is only slightly better than SD, is it really HD?
My point is this, while you could count the amount of bandwidth being dedicated to HD it wouldn't make sense, as the general consumer is going to look at the amount of channels over the bitrate, as the consumer has no idea what a bitrate means. One company could offer 200 HD channels, and the other only offer 20 HD channels, assuming they use the same codecs for that video signal, and that the same amount of overall bandwidth is being used, the one with only 20 HD channels will look better, as bitrate on the system with 200 HD channels will be much lower with less detail, similar to how you can download a 32kbps MP3 and then listen to a 256kbit MP3 and tell the difference, the same is true with HD. |
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zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN | true
maybe a better comparision could be amde by deviding total hd abndwith by number of channels |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Bobcat
Re: No sympathy from me
Its reason's like this that I'm going OTA HD.
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD | Voom
So is Voom officially dead now? Or does anyone else carry it?
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Frank
is chilling
Premium
join:2000-11-03
somewhere
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Bobcat
Re: No sympathy from me
said by Bobcat :Cablevision is pulling almost 10% of my channels with no decrease in rates. In fact, if I want to keep those channels, I have to pay 50% more than I pay now. what channels are they pulling?
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Corydon
Cultivant son jardin
Premium
join:2008-02-18
Denver, CO
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to zed260
Re: hd bandwith
Still doesn't work because you have to discuss whether you're using MPEG2 or MPEG4 compression...and by the time you get to that point, consumers' eyes begin to glaze over....
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whiteyonenh
join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Bobcat
Re: No sympathy from me
said by Bobcat :Cablevision is pulling almost 10% of my channels with no decrease in rates. In fact, if I want to keep those channels, I have to pay 50% more than I pay now. I've found at least in my opinion that it's easier just to do without in that situation, I no longer subscribe to TV and just use online video services to watch the shows i want to watch, while it may be slightly less convenient, I'm happy with saving the $50 a month, plus I have the option of watching when I want without having to record it.
The only thing that I miss about not having TV is the local news. I'm currently looking into getting a newspaper subscription. National/International news is easily gathered online on various free services.
Cable has lost me for the reason that they remove channels and/or transition the channels to the digital tier, without a reduction in service fees. For someone like me that is on a budget, once the few channels that exist that I actually watch gets moved to digital, theres no real benefit to keeping cable, as I cannot afford the digital tiers. I cannot get dish where I'm living so that is not a real option to me, and this area is so hilly/mountainous I would have to put up a 1000' mast to receive the "local" OTA HD channels, so I don't bother. |
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ | reply to Frank
They're moving Animal Planet, SciFi, E!, TLC, and a couple others to digital. Since I don't have any boxes, I'd have to pay an extra $25 per month to get them on all three TVs. |
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MySay
join:2008-04-08
Mansfield, TX
1 edit | reply to wmcbrine
Re: Voom
RANT:
"09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0"
According to our laws, even posting that number can land you in prison! Now, how f'd up is that?
"Ignorance of the law is not an excuse", we hear time and time again! However, the PROFESSIONALS of the law themselves (Judges, Lawyers, & Law Enforcement Agents) have to resort to "looking them up" in a book! Uh, anybody else see the problem here? The PROFESSIONALS who spend YEARS studying the law can't even keep up w/ them!
Call your local PD, and ask them the minimum age a child can be left alone at home in your jurisdiction, or the requirements your kids have to meet in order to sit in the front seat of your car! If they don't take down your information and request to call you back (to look the information up), I'll send that department a box of donuts!
People complain all the time about the direction our nation is heading! I for one, am one of those people! Besides the tax system... the legal system as well needs a complete overhaul! We currently have a system that benefits the politicians and corporations of the nation, and where the criminals have more rights than the victims!
TO THE TOPIC (to keep post legit): Does anybody actually find this suprising? Cable / Satellite, Phone / Internet, Electric companies... they're all the same. Each extending their arms for more of your money, while cutting back their services. Their other hand is busy playing w/ their political puppet. |
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Schmoozer
| Dish Acted w/ Clear Unquestionable Deception
Truth be said, Dish never made an official announcement, and can be sighted to a lack of notification given they preempted their cancelation less than 24 hrs prior with a false and misleading statement of, "95 HD Channels". They had complete knowledge of their intent and that would be indisputable. Echostar was quoted after the ruling (Voom vs Echostar), "It was their intent to shut down Voom service," prior to the action (premeditative deception). Once the new HD channels were established they pulled Voom down.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see complicity in these matters.
I chewed out an executive at corp Dish and they were oblivious to the news.
You have the absolute right to terminate an agreement, especially given the inequitable pricing structures. All Dish network customers who are playing the same for less HD have the absolute right to terminate and/or demand change without penalties. Depending on the state you're residing in, you may also be entitled to damages. |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17 | reply to whiteyonenh
Re: No sympathy from me
Just curious, what video service do you use? |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·Site5.com
 ·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast
| said by SLD :Just curious, what video service do you use? $10 says its a illegal P2P service. I have a friend who uses a variety of P2P torrent sites to download what he wants when he wants to watch it. Saves him the huge cable bill, and he in turn donates some cash to the site. |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | FTC needs to start cracking down...
Whether it's speed claims of ISPs, calling their over compressed dog poo HD, or these channel counts, it's time the FTC step in and put a stop to all the BS. |
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KoolMoe
Aw Man
Premium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
·Speakeasy
| reply to whiteyonenh
Re: No sympathy from me
I bagged the movie channels from Comcast and did not sign up for them when we switched to VZ. There were occasional shows we watched (Carnival, Deadwood, Sopranos) but not enough to justify the cost.
I missed those occasional shows but now I see HBO is selling through iTunes.
So a weekly show x $3 = $12/month. A little less than I was paying for the channel subscription in the first place. Still not really worth it, but getting better. If HBO were to sell an episode for $1, the cost savings would definitely make it worthy for me to buy.
Til then, no such shows for me.
KM |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to whiteyonenh
Re: hd bandwith
said by whiteyonenh :said by zed260 :i think a more accurate way to view this hd war is in total amount of bandwidth dedicated to hd Bandwidth is only 1/2 the equation, but if they're claiming HD based on the resolution, and compressing it so much that it is only slightly better than SD, is it really HD? No it isn't. its HD-LITE.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| I got an idea
To be considered a HD channel in counts a channels programming MUST be a least 1080i 50% of the time[im talking TRUE 1080i, not stretch - o - vision or zoom - o - vision]
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I can make any channel i want 'pseudo HD' by using stretch on the TV then HD zoom on the cable remote.
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Cjaiceman
Premium,MVM
join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
| HD Channels vs Content
While I don't agree with what dish did, I am also looking at it from whats the point of having HD channels when they are not showing HD Content? I have Comcast right now and they added some channels to the HD lineup, but some of those channels don't show ANY HD content. A great example is DisneyHD and FoodHD. I have yet to see ANY HD content, not that I would actually watch it. I think when channels start filming in HD is when they should then get an HD feed out to the companies. Either that or they want their foot in the HD door and will broadcast when ready (which should be now, since they have the channel). I have seen the DirecTV HD lineup, and while they have a good channel lineup, the HD content is just not there, but thats not the providers fault, thats the channels fault. |
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Oh Please
@rr.com
| reply to Dogfather
Re: FTC needs to start cracking down...
said by Dogfather :Whether it's speed claims of ISPs, calling their over compressed dog poo HD, or these channel counts, it's time the FTC step in and put a stop to all the BS. Whatcha smoking???? Must be the good stuff. |
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