Corydon
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| Looking on the bright side...
At least the blow-up has had some good effects, even if the FCC has been revealed to be toothless.
1) Everybody seems to be buying into the idea of transparency, at least in theory. We may disagree with limits Comcast is considering for for their service, but (assuming Karl's source is accurate), at least they are out there for everyone to see.
In a truly free market that might even allow you to pick and choose your provider based on the plans offered 
2) The whole idea of forged TCP RST packets seems to have discredited, along with the idea of blocking (or "delaying") certain applications on the Internet. This was probably the first big fight in the net-neutrality war and the good guys appear to have won to a large extent.
Personally, I think the ultimate solution to the problem is opening up the ISP business as far as possible to competition. Long term, I'd like to see municipal FTTH service that allows any company that wants to sell their service over the fiber to do so.
Shorter term, I'd settle for Congress getting off it's behind and getting us local loop unbundling with the same for cable.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ |  Listen to the audio podcast of the event at this link
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ARGONAUT
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New Albany, IN | Pay to the Order of _______________________ $
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
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|  reply to Corydon
Re: Looking on the bright side...
 One solution would be to allow any utility (Water, Power, Gas) to provide data/voice transport services. Incentives could be given to install fiber during the installation of any new underground services. Any utility could then provide the last mile of access from a central peering point to customers homes or businesses. Any company providing voice, data or video services could use the facilities to transport their services. Once the delivery of voice data services becomes competitive the incumbents attitude may change. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA
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| Yeah but when muni's try to do that cable and telcos sue to stop it, lie to voters if it goes to a ballot, blackmail the towns (threatening to close call centers and fire everyone etc) or if that fails and the service is installed, resort to illegal predatory pricing practices to kill it. |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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Grand Rapids, MI
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| Well, its very true
Its their network after all. Comcast can shape what it wants. If customers don't like it, they can move to another provider. I know, in some areas Comcast is the only option they have. For that, I apologize as there should be multiple options anywhere you live. That just isn't the case, but it shouldn't be an excuse.
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funchords
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| reply to Mr Matt
Re: Looking on the bright side...
said by Mr Matt  : One solution would be to allow any utility (Water, Power, Gas) to provide data/voice transport services. or sewer. »rocwiki.org/Sewer_Fiber_Optic_Network
»www.news.com/2100-1034_3-6064133.html
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funchords
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| reply to Nightfall
Re: Well, its very true
said by Nightfall :Its their network after all. Comcast can shape what it wants. If customers don't like it, they can move to another provider. So, following that thinking, the Shell station can add a cup of water to every gallon of gasoline. After all, it's their station. If customers don't like it, they can just get gas elsewhere.
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
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| reply to Corydon
Re: Looking on the bright side...
said by Corydon :Personally, I think the ultimate solution to the problem is opening up the ISP business as far as possible to competition. Long term, I'd like to see municipal FTTH service that allows any company that wants to sell their service over the fiber to do so. Shorter term, I'd settle for Congress getting off it's behind and getting us local loop unbundling with the same for cable. Support your indie ISP 
We need all the help we can get! |
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Lowtarget
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Alger, OH
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| reply to funchords
Re: Well, its very true
Guess I'm kinda lucky where I live. About having more then one choice of broadband ISP's. There is three choices available to me. Which is Embarq, TWC, Wcoil where I live. The Wcoil company just resells Embarq and RR.
Plus there is satellite connection. But thats not really a option to me cause of the cost/lag. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to knightmb
Re: Looking on the bright side...
I did 'till they got gobbled up by Covad who quickly ran them into the ground.
The good indy ISPs end up getting bought up. |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR | reply to Mr Matt
It been tried it turns into an expensive fiasco. I do not want government to do a Hugo Chavez on my internet. |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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Grand Rapids, MI
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Re: Well, its very true
said by funchords :said by Nightfall :Its their network after all. Comcast can shape what it wants. If customers don't like it, they can move to another provider. So, following that thinking, the Shell station can add a cup of water to every gallon of gasoline. After all, it's their station. If customers don't like it, they can just get gas elsewhere. There is a big difference. Adding water like that to gas will cause damage to your car or cause your car to not run very well. Thats beside the fact that if Shell published that info and everyone went into it knowing that they added that water, thats a different story as well. Read Comcast's AUP sometime.
I think it stinks as well, but its their network. They have a right to do with it what they want. Their customers can go find better service elsewhere. |
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funchords
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| reply to Lowtarget
How many competitors there are is actually beside the point. They are selling High-Speed **INTERNET** Service. That word means something, just like the word Gasoline means something.
Comcast owns the network but doesn't own the Internet. They're not allowed to do anything they want to it any more than your gas station can change the standard formula for its product.
Morally, if not also legally, they should be shipping my bits without any concern for what is inside of them.
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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| said by funchords :How many competitors there are is actually beside the point. They are selling High-Speed **INTERNET** Service. That word means something, just like the word Gasoline means something. Comcast owns the network but doesn't own the Internet. They're not allowed to do anything they want to it any more than your gas station can change the standard formula for its product. Morally, if not also legally, they should be shipping my bits without any concern for what is inside of them. Since they own the network, they can regulate what comes in and goes out of their network. Like it or not, its their right.
You are right, morally they shouldn't be doing it. If there are any morals behind regulating illegal P2P traffic, but thats beside the point. Legally however, they have the right to do it. Its the same thing when China ISPs regulate what you can view on the internet. When they block sites because of their political standing, I think its morally wrong, however the ISPs are government controlled.
Like it or not, these changes are coming and since you have all these different ISPs selling services, some will be better than others for reasons like this. |
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jhigh420
join:2001-04-12
Atlanta, GA | reply to Nightfall
I'm not willing to leave comcast when they have the best broadband service in my area and a simple google search will get you around "traffic shaping." A LOT of ISPs are forging packets, not just comcast. |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to Dogfather
Re: Looking on the bright side...
said by Dogfather :I did 'till they got gobbled up by Covad who quickly ran them into the ground. The good indy ISPs end up getting bought up. That's true, had two in my area that sold out to Comcast (customer base basically) and ended up with service that cost 3X as much for about the same speed. Customers were not happy about this, some of them came to us at least |
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methinks
| just a thought
This whole thing is blown way out of proportion. If there's anyone to blame, it's the end users. Just how often are you using torrents to download anything other than pirated movies, software, music and etc.?
It's like a domino effect. Sure, if you investigate thorougly enough you'll find something that doesn't seem to quite fit, and the company's operating methods are released to the public. But now the cat is out of the bag, of course Comcast is going to start handing out a download caps. Subsequently a hand full of subscribers are going to bitch about it again, and guess what? before you know it, all these ISP companies will be doing the same thing, and who knows, maybe they'll be working with the RIAA and other anti-piracy compaines and giving out your IPs to them willingly. because they know you're the ones hogging the bandwidth and that'll be the end to every mp3, dvd screeners u'll ever have.
so i say just shut up, and be happy with what you have. cuz you'd probabaly never even noticed your zip was down until someone pointed it out to you. |
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Corydon
Cultivant son jardin
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Denver, CO
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| reply to Richard B
Re: Looking on the bright side...
said by Richard B :It been tried it turns into an expensive fiasco. I do not want government to do a Hugo Chavez on my internet. This is a problem. Experiments in this area have not been too encouraging. Municipalities simply do not have the expertise to do this.
On the other hand, the people who do have the expertise are the very same folks who have an incentive to keep competitors out of the arena: the ILECs and the MSOs.
Maybe what's needed is another '80s style telecom breakup, except this time, instead of separating Long Distance from Local Service Providers, we separate companies into one entity that provides and maintains the local loop or the cable infrastructure (and is regulated and provides the same service to everyone) and another entity that provides the cable TV, ISP, phone services, etc. and would be unregulated.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA
1 edit | reply to knightmb
Our here Covad Wireless has been gobbling up the good wireless ISPs. One, Nextweb, offered great business service at a good price but within months of the buy out service went down hill while both cutting speeds and raising prices. |
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