Hazy Arc
join:2006-04-10
Greenwood, SC
 ·Embarq
 ·Verizon Wireless B..
 ·Northland Cable Te..
 ·Dish Network
|  Embarq...Don't Make Me Laugh
One would think that with the increased revenue Embarq was gaining from the use of NebuAD, they would increase the quality of service or expand into rural areas. They have done neither. In fact, my connection has steadily gone downhill in the past month or so. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| 2008 will define the Internet for years to come!
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the months to come as the all mighty dollar faces off against Ethics and Morals! 
... my naive side assumes people will see the light, but unfortunately I suspect it will require laying law to protect people's privacy and online rights!
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| IP right in own personal data?
I wonder if the argument can be made that a person has copyright over his own personal data? hell, with the law as it is these days, just writing something down confers copyright protection.
A person could then sue anyone using that data in a manner they don't like. |
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JIGA
Its A Bird, Its A Plane, Its..
Premium
join:2002-02-02
Azle, TX
clubs:
·Charter Pipeline
| NebuAD
Charter starting using that NebuAD junk as well. I received a letter in the mail from them explaining how this will "increase my online experience!". HA! What a crock of shit!
They offered an Opt Out from the NebuAD on Charter's website, all it does is store a cookie for you but if you ever clean your cookies out you have to do the opt out again... 
Trying to find another way to do this instead of using Charter's opt out way. |
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dcurrey
Premium
join:2004-06-29
 ·ViaTalk
| reply to nasadude
Re: IP right in own personal data?
I was kind of wondering something like that also. I create a webpage with my own ads added. The isp inspect and changes page and republishes it with different ads. Does this no violate my copyright on the page.
Couldn't any website sue the isp since they are not only changing the content but are hurting the income that the page owner could have received if the proper ads are in place. |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
·Comcast
·Embarq
| Embarq should be subject to the communication act of 1934
 Unless Georgy Porgy gives Embarq a pardon I believe that Emabaq should be held accountable for wire tapping under the Communication Act of 1934. In Georges world of no regulation, corporations have been allowed unrestricted abuse of American Citizens. They do not have to provide accurate price quotes and are allowed apply fraudulent charges and fees. Behavioral Advertising is another slap in the face to consumers by big business. It is time for the BS to stop. I am particularly concerned because the two Broadband ISP's in my area are Embarq and Comcast. Verizon does not count because of the 5Gb Cap. |
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clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| The Illusion of Anonymity
Nebuad likes to talk a lot about how anonymous this is, but I suspect that is just between the ISP and Nebuad. I have to believe the second you indicate the slightest interest or make a purchase in a product served from an ad linked to your "highly anonymous one way hash", the gig is up. These people can equate your hash to you, and do so without running afoul of the agreement between Nebuad and the ISP.
Sure, Charter isn't violating your privacy in this instance, third parties do the dirty work and they are under no obligation whatsoever to protect your personal information or browsing history. |
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hairspring
join:2007-11-23
Oakville, ON | It won't matter
ISP's will just add a clause to the contract indicating that the customer agrees to the inspection of their traffic.
It will go out as an addendum which less than 1% of customers will even look at or recognize. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| reply to R0CKY
Re: 2008 will define the Internet for years to come!
Law? Rights? I see you aren't from the U.S. so we'll forgive your assumptions. Both those left when the numbnuts took office and created that documented named the Patriot Act. Those rights you speak of do not exist. Hell, it wouldn't amaze me if these ISPS played the national security card that is benevolently being used to rape us of our freedoms one by one. ISP to government: Our collecting user data can help fight the war on terror by knowing what customers browse. If someone browses bomb or jihad, we'll notify you immediately. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Yeah... You're right, I'm not from the US but this one will definitely need to be hashed out, patriot act or not. ISPs aren't agents of the state and should never be.
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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MrMushroom
@cablerocket.net | reply to hairspring
Re: It won't matter
and even if you read it,you still dont have a choice . only thing you can do is change isp. but that sometimes is not an option |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·Cox HSI
·magicjack.com
| reply to nasadude
Re: IP right in own personal data?
said by nasadude  :I wonder if the argument can be made that a person has copyright over his own personal data? It would be a little more involved than that. But, it's possible. ISPs would argue that your activities are "facts" and facts can't be copyrighted. But, you could argue that your activities as a whole (the compilation of individual activities/facts) is creative expression. Even that your online activities are a "performance."
It would be a stretch. And, all they'd have to do is change their ToS to say you surrender your copyright interest in exchange for using their service.
The stronger position is to sue ISPs using the same laws used to sue them over disclosing information to the government. Those laws were put in place to prevent telcos from disclosing personal information (like call records). Disclosing information about sites you visited seems similar to disclosing phone numbers you called.
Mark |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| reply to R0CKY
Re: 2008 will define the Internet for years to come!
O I agree, I just have no faith in the government or this administration working them out. I don't even know if the next guy or girl will. Frankly, this government has us right where they want us. It's called scared, panicked and thinking the world is out to get us. Therefore, they can pass any law, and take away our freedom, all under the guise of security. I am sure these ISPS recognize this climate and can get away with their actions. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Yeah... I'm seeing that looking at your situation from the outside. Hopefully the new person coming in will see the value in putting a little weight in this issue. (fingers crossed for you)
The Canadian side seems to often feed to some extent on the US (sometime the other way around, but rare), so I for one and hoping the FCC or the government does the right thing on this one... It has to.
Being passive on this topic pretty much spells the beginning of the end for the internet as we know it...
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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DeeplyShrouded
@comcast.net
| Welcome To 1984....
There are cameras everywhere watching you, computers that
keep track of your purchases via the ATM, your vehicle is
tracked via EZ-Pass toll convenience, the books you read
from the library are tracked via your library card.
Even cash is becoming the same way due to data mining.
X took $7.99 out of their account on this date at this time.
20 minutes later, the security camera at the bookstore
captured a person purchasing a book for $7.99.
Face recognition software that matches up the ATM withdrawl
image with the security camera image predicts a 90% match.
George Orwell was correct and his world is today.
Even at home, if you have a PC with a webcam and microphone,
there is malicious software out there that can turn your
camera and microphone on without you knowing it.
Your every move is tracked via that tiny radio transceiver
with built in GPS that sits in your pocket commonly known
as a cell phone.
One reason it took so long to catch the unabomber was he did
not rely on technology. He lived in a place with no modern
appliances, electricity, computers, or cameras.
Yep, 1984 is here and the tracking begins from the day you
are born. You are tracked until the day you die and even then,
you can be tracked for years afterward via people looking
up where you're buried via findagrave.com
There is no such thing as being anonymous in the world anymore.
9/11 was the perfect opportunity to have any form of privacy
taken away from you, in the interests of national security
of course.
Suppose you built a compound in which to live that was
self sufficient. Solar panels for power, you grow your own
food, and you don't bother anyone and expect to be left alone.
So, what are you hiding? Nothing? Then why the compound?
Guilty until proven innocent. You have to explain your
actions as to why you built the compound, and even then
your explanation will be met with suspicion.
Think that compound will protect you? Ask the branch
davidians.
Private property is a thing of the past. Police can enter
any time if they have "probable cause".
If you get arrested, they can and they will take a sample
of your DNA. All that stuff I just typed would drive a
conspiracy theorist insane.
So, you're online on a network you do not own, have no
control over and you expect privacy for your data?
No such thing. Never has been such a thing and there will
never be such a thing. As I said, welcome to 1984.
--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
--Central Control! D-Dial #49 |
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DeeplyShrouded
@comcast.net | »www.wnbc.com/health/16337293/detail.html
Google storing health records? My point has been made.
--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
--Central Control! D-Dial #49 |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| reply to R0CKY
Re: 2008 will define the Internet for years to come!
Well the sad part is you guys are headed down the same road. You elected a conservative (think it was) leader after having a liberal party leader in place for a long time. Excuse me if I got this reversed but I think I'm correct. All I know for certain is your new leader is more closely aligned with Bush and his dumb ideologies. That definitely isn't good news for Canada either. |
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ackman
join:2000-10-04
Acworth, GA | so what?
Until AT&T is prosecuted for illegally serving up all our data to the government, in violation of federal law, who the he11 cares what any other company does with our private data? |
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NetKrazy
join:2007-11-29
Littleton, CO
| So what is the root of the complaint?
Is it truly the idea of the technology that’s a problem or is it the ‘potential for abuse’ that causes most of the issues. The fact that’s what’s said to be anonymous at the flip of a switch becomes everything you ever wanted to know about Bob and more. Considering it’s nothing that’s hidden today where MSO’s and their engineers could listen to your phone calls, watch all your network traffic, read your emails and learn far more about you than anyone would care to share. The idea of privacy is an illusion in the broadband world your “protected” blog post hidden from the world is readable by their systems people. Yet you trust that they don’t share it or read it or post it somewhere else.
Or is the main complaint that the corporation gains revenue yet the customer see's no tangible value? Their rates continue to climb year over year despite these attempts at wrestling revenue from the data stream? If your provider guaranteed no rate increase for the year or for two would you still have the same complaints? |
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