jchambers28
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us ISP's are cheap when it comes to deploying an all fiber network for internet acses |
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ztmike
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Michigan City, IN | Bingo.
"Of course actually having a broadband policy is a good start."
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Dogfather
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LukasEU
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Although it's nice to find Czech and Slovak republics in the list I think there must have been an error made somewhere in the survey because there's NO WAY Slovakia has 17% fiber penetration (and if they do then I feel sorry for them for how FEW Internet connections they have per 1,000 people).
I have my doubts also about those 3% for the Czech republic. There are only a few very small local independant telcos doing FTTH. |
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satellite68
join:2007-04-11
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Re: Bingo.
said by Dogfather  :Yeah, because we know how efficient and successful government programs are. Ironic statement, considering your avatar.  |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | A fat lazy government worker serving only to Provoke and Annoy? More iconic of government, not ironic. |
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EPS
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Re: us isp's
Well, note that in many other countries, DSL was the primary internet connection mechanism. Cable networks aren't as common outside the US to begin with, and the US is separate by the fact that cable networks are the largest means of broadband access, not DSL lines.
Cable networks are far better at offering higher speeds to customers than DSL lines, though the reliability and long-term viability of those high speeds is another issue. However, it can't be denied that HFC networks can offer high speeds. This means that buildouts of high-speed fiber networks are not seen as necessary- cablecos won't do it because they already have fiber-coax networks that are fine for what they're doing, and telcos (until recently with VZ) wouldn't have as much demand for their products. |
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TKJunkMail
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4 edits |  Subscriptions per 100 inhabitants a misleading metric
The latest data shows that the U.S.'s broadband penetration rate (subscriptions per 100 inhabitants) now sits at 23%. While 23% is higher than the OECD average (20%), it still places the U.S. in fifteenth place overall, behind countries such as Canada (27%), Finland (31%) and Denmark (35%). Subscriptions per 100 inhabitants is affected by the average household size. That is, 1 subscription supports more people per subscription in the US than it does in Canada and Finland where the household size is smaller. So that number is skewed in favor of countries with smaller household sizes.
The OECD says there are 69,859,707 broadband subscribers in the US with a population of approx 300,000,000 in Dec 2007. And that is 23%. But what they don't say is how many people have broadband AVAILABLE to them in the home, because one subscription supports multiple residents. Therefore the US may actually have more broadband USERS per 100 inhabitants than some of the countries ahead of the US on the list.
EDIT: P.S.> The OECD defines penetration numbers as actual broadband lines and not people. »www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,···,00.html
1. Penetration (actual lines) Average household size in US is 2.6/household which means there are 181,635,238 broadband users per 300,000,000 population in the US or 60.5%.
Average household size in Canada is 2.5 »www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/famil53a.htm
Average household size in Finland is 2.1 which means there are 3,395,700 broadband users per 5,286,000 population in Denmark or 64.2%. »www.britannica.com/eb/question-2···-Finland
Average household size in Denmark is 2.2 which means there are 4,194,425 broadband users per 5,454,000 population in Denmark or 76.9%. »www.britannica.com/eb/question-1···-Denmark
If anyone wants to do the whole list, be my guest, but the point I made is that the metric they used wasn't the best and is misleading to what % of the country's population receives broadband. The metric OECD used makes it look like Denmark is 52% better than the US in broadband penetration, but the metric I used shows Denmark is only 27% better. And the US is almost even with Finland.
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"Heavy lobbying by incumbent carriers has resulted in an uncompetitive, overpriced duopoly system, yet we're still in the middle of the statistical pack. Imagine what the United States could accomplish with a government that worked for everyone, instead of just AT&T, Verizon and Comcast."
Amen! This is what is so disappointing... We could easily be like Japan (at least in the cities) with lots of choices, speed, services, lack of restrictions, and low prices....
... but we won't do it.
Still, very interesting data.
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Cabal
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Boston, MA | Newsflash
New Broadband Data Shows U.S. To Be Thoroughly Rural. |
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| Broadband is an add-on product
The thing about broadband service in the US is that the vast majority of the coverage is done through networks built for some other purpose.
- DOCSIS (cable TV plant)
- DSL (PSTN infrastructure)
- 3G wireless (Cellular infrastructure)
- Satellite (DBS / TV sat infrastructure)
- BPL (Power utility infrastructure)
The price point for broadband is as low as it is in the US because the last mile connection is being subsidized by other services. Just look at all of the muni-wifi and fiber projects (ie, Utopia) that are struggling financially in trying to deploy an IP-only delivery solution. If we want more competition, we either need to get used to paying more for broadband services or hope some other new killer app comes along with a profitable reason to deliver some type of connection to our homes. |
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Re: Bingo.
said by Dogfather :Yeah, because we know how efficient and successful government programs are. Like the interstate highway system? Or the national power grid? I'd even go so far as to say the POTS system since the government stepped in a regulated the level of service. |
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Bill03
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Re: Subscriptions per 100 inhabitants a misleading metric
It's also misleading because they do not account for geography. Most of the countries cited in articles like this are much smaller in size than the US and do not have vast areas of low/no population. It is logical that an island nation like Japan would have higher fiber penetration and a corresponding higher number of broadband subscribers than we do. A fairer assesment would be total number of households who can get broadband compared to how many take it. |
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en102
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Valencia, CA | reply to Dogfather
Re: Bingo.
Especially here in So-Cal.
This state is highly taxed, and the money ends up going nowhere.
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A puppet organization being manipulated by the same companies it's supposed to be governing is what we have now. The FCC is a spineless good for nothing waste of tax money put in place to make the taxpayers think that our best interest is being pursued. Don't you think that the problems Verizon is having which caused a State of Florida Attorney General to get involved should have been an FCC issue instead? It wasn't because the FCC called Verizon and said "Dad, I think this violates the law." and Verizon said "SHUT YOU LITTLE BRAT!!! Now go attack Vonage for E911 services" |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to Matt
Re: Bingo.
Ah, yes, the interstate highway system- how's about that Big Dig (Interstate 93 through downtown Boston)? And that maintainance is going so well...
And the power grid, where one failure in northern New York can mean failure in the entire Northeast- a sparkling success there. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to espaeth
Re: Broadband is an add-on product
Yes- the problem is that the Internet "killer apps" aren't profitable to the ISPs, but to the companies that own the websites- this has been great for the Internet, but it doesn't spur new last-mile investments.
Even the largest private fiber-to-the-home deployment in this country was done to allow the sale of television services- superfast internet is a convenient add-on. |
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Re: Subscriptions per 100 inhabitants a misleading metric
said by Bill03 : A fairer assesment would be total number of households who can get broadband compared to how many take it. Using that assessment, a country that only has broadband in one high-rise apartment building, which was utilized by all the tenants, would have a nationwide subscription rate of 100%.
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RARPSL
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Re: Bingo.
said by ztmike :"Of course actually having a broadband policy is a good start." We do. It is to not bother to look at actual broadband penetration, count the ability of one person in a ZIPCODE as having access to Broadband as meaning that EVERYONE in that ZIPCODE has access, and to define Broadband as 200Kbs (ie: Anything faster than DSL). |
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Surfinusa
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Sounds about right. The back bones alone in the US is incredible. But to the end user, it hasn't been adopted fully yet, price of fiber and roll out not including user end equipment is not cheap.
Until then, I am happy with what I have.
Sure beats 53k. Which I never had even on a good day.  |
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