TKJunkMail
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|  Getting new rules locked in by FCC better than lawsuits ....
... where the only winners would be the lawyers who file the class action lawsuits.
By having the FCC ratify and make the new policies law instead of just phone company policy, the consumers get the break and the phone companies can't back out of them later.
All the lawsuits will do is line the pockets of a bunch of scummy law firms that would probably net the actual customer nothing more than a discount voucher on their next phone upgrade.
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jc100
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| TK JUNK,
We all recognize this but you miss the big picture. While the lawyers WILL GET RICH, consumers will have laws protecting them on the books. Companies will no longer be able to get away with this crap. It has to come at someone's expense. Sure the lawyers will be the real winners monetarily, but the consumers will finally get protections in place. |
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BSD24
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|  Not surprised, Verizon wants to be like movie - RoboCop
Verizon doesn't want any law to apply to them. They don't want local government control of cable franchises, so they don't have to follow same rules as Cable Operators. Someone needs to slap them. Sounds like movie RoboCop where one company owns the city and everything else inside it. What will they want next, to own the country so they have complete immunity against everything? |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Getting new rules locked in by FCC better than lawsuits ....
said by jc100  :TK JUNK, We all recognize this but you miss the big picture. While the lawyers WILL GET RICH, consumers will have laws protecting them on the books. Companies will no longer be able to get away with this crap. It has to come at someone's expense. Sure the lawyers will be the real winners monetarily, but the consumers will finally get protections in place. But they get the legal protections anyway when the FCC implements the new rules. So where is the need for the lawsuits? All the lawsuits do is raise the costs to the cell companies - which WILL be passed on to the customer in higher fees.
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mod_wastrel
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"scummy law firms"
That's redundant. |
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jc100
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Tk you are very very wrong. It usually takes lawsuits to spur the action of agencies. Do you think worker protections, safety measures, and many of the luxuries we enjoy were done on their own? If you say yes, you are by far mistaken. Most changes only came after legal battles occurred. While I hate that the lawyers get rich off this, it's a fact of life. |
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Re: Getting new rules locked in by FCC better than lawsuits ....
said by TKJunkMail :But they get the legal protections anyway when the FCC implements the new rules. So where is the need for the lawsuits? All the lawsuits do is raise the costs to the cell companies - which WILL be passed on to the customer in higher fees. Because of course, if we know something from all your posts, is that your real concern is always how this will affect the customers.  |
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pnh102
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| ETF Lawsuits Are Stupid
Just about every cell phone provider lets you out of your contract within thirty days and most are very accommodating if you move to an area where they do not provide service.
Furthermore, anyone can get a cell phone with no contract, or a prepaid phone, and not be bothered with an ETF.
Basically, the only people suing are the idiots who were not prepared to live up to the contract that they signed that obliged them pay an ETF. These people need to get over themselves.
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Getting new rules locked in by FCC better than lawsuits ....
said by jhboricua :said by TKJunkMail :But they get the legal protections anyway when the FCC implements the new rules. So where is the need for the lawsuits? All the lawsuits do is raise the costs to the cell companies - which WILL be passed on to the customer in higher fees. Because of course, if we know something from all your posts, is that your real concern is always how this will affect the customers. I'm a customer. I care too.
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Re: ETF Lawsuits Are Stupid
said by pnh102 :Just about every cell phone provider lets you out of your contract within thirty days and most are very accommodating if you move to an area where they do not provide service. Wow, talk about pulling a stat out of one's rear end. Where did you find the research to support that supposition?
said by pnh102 :Basically, the only people suing are the idiots who were not prepared to live up to the contract that they signed that obliged them pay an ETF. These people need to get over themselves. Just like the only idiots who participate in consumer oriented lawsuits of any kind need to "get" over themselves.
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no company wants any law to apply to them, and why are all lawyers scumbags and money grubbers? If you like being screwed by a company, and are waiting for the government to fix the problem,you are mistaken. If you like being overcharged and hosed by companies, fine, but some people don't.Are there frivolous lawsuits yes, but it is a judge that let's it go forward, not the lawyers. For every frivolous lawsuit there are more good ones. Weather you are Repub or Dem, most of the politicians are these said lawyers. When a company makes a bad product or systematically rips customers off, what is wrong with suing them?It is ok as long as it doesn't affect the share holders? I thought that was a way to redress a grievance. Quit screwing your customer/the people, and you won't get sued, end of story.
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Re: Getting new rules locked in by FCC better than lawsuits ....
said by TKJunkMail :... where the only winners would be the lawyers who file the class action lawsuits. By having the FCC ratify and make the new policies law instead of just phone company policy, the consumers get the break and the phone companies can't back out of them later. All the lawsuits will do is line the pockets of a bunch of scummy law firms that would probably net the actual customer nothing more than a discount voucher on their next phone upgrade. The FCC can't create laws, only regulations with fines attached. You know this.
I agree with you though that we need laws in place, rather than class-action lawsuits, to protect consumers. |
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Re: Not surprised, Verizon wants to be like movie - RoboCop
I gives congrads to VZ on working with local gov'ts for cable franchises. They're doing something that AT&T is refusing to do. If AT$T doesnt get a state one they won't deploy. VZ on the other hand will.
Thats actually progress on their end. |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Getting new rules locked in by FCC better than lawsuits ....
said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :... where the only winners would be the lawyers who file the class action lawsuits. By having the FCC ratify and make the new policies law instead of just phone company policy, the consumers get the break and the phone companies can't back out of them later. All the lawsuits will do is line the pockets of a bunch of scummy law firms that would probably net the actual customer nothing more than a discount voucher on their next phone upgrade. The FCC can't create laws, only regulations with fines attached. You know this. I agree with you though that we need laws in place, rather than class-action lawsuits, to protect consumers. But the regulations have the force of law when they are issued. This wouldn't be a policy statement like the FCC has for network neutrality, but real regulations that can be enforced by the courts.
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| Is this a surprise?
Honestly, Verizon would not be performing it's fiduciary duty to stockholders if they didn't try to get around potentially expensive lawsuits by any means they can (that are less expensive than the lawsuit, at least)- basic pursuit of self-interest. Why would you expect anything else? |
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pnh102
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Re: ETF Lawsuits Are Stupid
said by SilverSurfer :Wow, talk about pulling a stat out of one's rear end. Where did you find the research to support that supposition? Yawn.
Verizon's "30 Day Test Drive" for new customers: »support.vzw.com/faqs/Wireless%20···ive.html
AT&T specifies a 30 day return period with no ETF and a 3 day return period with a complete refund: »209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:jS···=1&gl=us (using Google cache as main site appears to be down). This agreement also states that AT&T may cancel your service if you roam off of their network too much.
T-Mobile provides for a 14 day return period (which is why I said "just about") but that may be longer in some states: »www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup···int=true
Sprint provides for a 30 day return guarantee, even though the URL is a misnomer: »www.sprintpcs.com/common/popups/···tee.html
Sprint also reserves the option to cancel your service if you roam off of their network too much: »www.sprintpcs.com/common/popups/···acy.html
Alltel provides a 15 day return period as well: »www.shopalltel.com/brands/alltel···licy.htm
Alltel can cancel your service if you use your phone outside of its service area: »www.alltel.com/wps/portal/Alltel···rms.html
Someone who cannot decide in that reasonable time frame that a particular carrier isn't right for them, and then whines about paying an ETF has only themselves to blame.
said by SilverSurfer :Just like the only idiots who participate in consumer oriented lawsuits of any kind need to "get" over themselves. Anyone who signs a contract without reading it and then complains about being held to said contract is an idiot. If I had my way, such people would not only have any sort of lawsuits they filed dismissed on sight, but they would also be made to compensate the taxpayers for time time wasted by the court in dismissing such lawsuits.
And yes, I did bother to read every single line of my AT&T contract before I signed it. I do that with every contract I sign, all the time. People who can't be bothered to do that should get no relief from the courts.
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pnh102
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Re: Getting new rules locked in by FCC better than lawsuits ....
said by mod_wastrel :"scummy law firms" That's redundant. It is also insulting to scum.
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jc100
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Re: ETF Lawsuits Are Stupid
Yawn, as obviously PNH's literacy skills are that of a 5 year old child learning to read for the first time. He who does not read, shall have no means to talk. Did you NOT NOTICE in the article that it mentioned ISPS were doing this in response ONLY to customer pressure and lawsuits. These new clauses were only added as a way to bypass lawsuits they are facing for underhanded tactics. However, far be it from you to actually READ the article before commenting. |
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