SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19 | Um Yeah
So essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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|  Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this
»Eventually all Pirates and facilitators will go to jail.
With businesses not going to stand for their products to be stolen without being paid for, steps like this were inevitable. All governments ultimately will bend to the needs of businesses to protect their rights to their products and services. In fact, governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason.
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| said by TKJunkMail  :[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business.  |
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guhuna
R.I.P Mike
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Brentwood, CA | Never would work.
Watch.... the pirates will come out on top. |
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highhatsize
Norm, The Enourmous Basset
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| WE should be telling THEM
An assumption of all these "intellectual property" protections is that the property deserves protection. To the contrary, the fundamental right that deserves protection is 1st amendment freedom of speech. Instead of the government assisting managers in making money from the content they control, it should be telling them that the internet is a toll-free information highway and they will have to figure out a way to make money from it without the punitive help of government.
The Napster decision was not appealed, in my opinion, because the media corporations saw that a win would have been a monetary loss of mammoth proportions in the long run. We should all make it clear to our federal legislators up for election this November that we won't vote for them if they endorse censorship for profit. They will all be getting plenty of money from the media corporations to insure that they do.
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | What is unauthorized information exchange?
And why is it a criminal act? |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this
said by SilverSurfer :said by TKJunkMail :[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman.
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
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Re: WE should be telling THEM
"The Congress shall have power to... To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;" - Article 1, Section 8. Just as constitutional as the First Amendment... (Though that "limited time" thing seems a little iffy, copyright itself is firmly constitutional)
I don't think it's a good idea though- it's doomed to fail and just creates yet another new class of crimes that can't really be enforced. |
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NOCMan
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Flower Mound, TX | reply to SilverSurfer
Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this
When was the last time you saw the government enforcing the will of the (normal)people? |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Don't tread on me...
The "government" will have to pry the Constitution of the United States from my cold dead fingers. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this
Yeah, let's see what China, Russia, multiple Eastern European countries, and Nigeria along with the rest of Africa. Let's not forget Israel and the Middle East. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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said by TKJunkMail :Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. Wow. Attempting to discuss anything with you is like talking to a brick wall. You are unable to grasp even the fundamental concepts the U.S. was founded upon. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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said by NOCMan :When was the last time you saw the government enforcing the will of the (normal)people? The government does not enforce the will of people, normal (whatever that means) or otherwise. The U.S. government enforces the rights enshrined in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. |
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Crookshanks
join:2008-02-04
Endicott, NY
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said by TKJunkMail :Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. That's funny, I kind of thought it had something to do with Taxation without Representation, the proclamation that restricted settlements west of the Appalachian Mountains, the quartering of troops in private residencies, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Commercial interests definitely played a part but your view of history is so one-sided that I'm wondering if you are some sort of anti-Karl Marx and would release pure energy if combined with him? |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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said by SilverSurfer :said by TKJunkMail :[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. ...at the taxpayer's expense, no less. |
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FLengineer
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| Loss or Potential Loss?
One issue that seams to have been forgotten in the whole Pirates vs. RIAA/MPAA is Loss or Potential loss? They claim that because Movie A was downloaded by X number of people then they have lost X number of paying customers. How many of those X number of people would have bought the "Intellectual Property" if they couldn't download it? |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | I hope that "Unauthorized Information Exchanges" . . .
. . . will also include the selling of my private browsing behavior (without MY permission and compensation) by ISPs to marketing companies for profit. |
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Taget
join:2004-07-29 | Surely our founding fathers...
...did not intend the First Amendment to permit the "unauthorized" exchange of information. They only intended this freedom to extend to information that the government has "authorized." |
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PToN
join:2001-10-04
Houston, TX
| Arent...?
Arent there more important things to worry about...?
Instead of worrying about how much money RIAA, MPAA and artist will make out of each sale they make or loose, should'nt this effort and willingness be applied on more important things, like making the US #1 on everything again..? or fixing health insurance, poverty, unemployment, immigration, bring back jobs from over seas...?
They are protecting a few jobs, but what about everything else that needs to be taken care of..? (a few named above) This only shows you that the entire system is for auction.
Can someone provide me the ebay link so i can bid on it...?
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ninjatutle
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Re: Never would work.
Pirates never win. |
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