  pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD
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| More Proof that Municipal Internet Bans are Needed
The silly notion that the government thinks wireless is the way to go for a speedy network shows very clearly that these governments are completely and totally unqualified to set any sort of broadband policy.
The state of Minnesota should step in and ban such activity. Perhaps instead it should focus on keeping bridges from collapsing instead. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! |
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 Turbocpe Premium join:2001-12-22 IA | It's Qwest - not Quest
quote: Comcast, Quest Annoyed With Twin Cities Wi-Fi Plans
It's Qwest - not Quest. The headline has a typo. |
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  TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
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| Hey, if it doesn't work, the taxpayers will cover it
If a government network could be set up, the city would then consider serving homes and businesses. But that could cost nearly $300 million, according to one estimate. The city doesn't have that kind of cash, but believes it would be possible to issue bonds to build the network and pay off the debt by leasing access on the network to multiple providers, who would compete for customers. Comcast and Qwest say they could easily increase speeds on their networks as demand for bandwidth goes up. Comcast's Twin Cities network could deliver connections faster than 100-megabits-per second if necessary, spokeswoman Mary Beth Schubert said. The company says it is testing 100-megabit traffic between facilities in Philadelphia and McLean, Va. But the two providers say they've seen no indication that anyone is clamoring for the kind of broadband that the two cities are envisioning, and they warn that municipal systems are more trouble than they're worth. They both point to Provo, Utah, where a municipally owned fiber-optic network has been drowning in red ink for several years. Earlier this month, the city of Provo decided to sell iProvo to a private provider called Broadweave. The city bureaucrat making the "use bonds" claim doesn't have to pay the higher taxes if wrong. Hopefully the pols and the taxpayers(if they get to vote on the bond issue) are more intelligent about the chances of the project making economical sense. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page |
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| WiFi for the people
Cities across the country will eventually offer free WiFi. It's the natural evolution of technology for the benefit of the people. Internet access if almost a necessity. The wrangling between private corps and govt. bureaucracy is a hurdle that will have to be overcome. |
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  TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
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| said by IndyDoug :Cities across the country will eventually offer free WiFi. It's the natural evolution of technology for the benefit of the people. Internet access if almost a necessity. The wrangling between private corps and govt. bureaucracy is a hurdle that will have to be overcome. Citywide WiFi won't happen. The technology just isn't suited for it. Citywide WiMax and LTE will happen but that will be driven by large nationwide companies and not by city governments. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page |
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  knightmb Everybody Lies
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by IndyDoug :Cities across the country will eventually offer free WiFi. It's the natural evolution of technology for the benefit of the people. Internet access if almost a necessity. The wrangling between private corps and govt. bureaucracy is a hurdle that will have to be overcome. Citywide WiFi won't happen. The technology just isn't suited for it. Citywide WiMax and LTE will happen but that will be driven by large nationwide companies and not by city governments. How big of a city do you mean? My entire city has wi-fi access, though you have to pay for it. But it works anywhere in the city? This is using the standard 'b' 'g' signals that everyone knows. |
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join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | reply to pnh102 Re: More Proof that Municipal Internet Bans are Needed
Yes- why would anyone think a wireless network would offer higher speeds than a land-line network? (Well, I suppose maybe DSL would be slower, but note cable is here as well offering very high speeds) |
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  halfband Premium join:2002-06-01 Huntsville, AL | Odd, but the article seems be talking about fiber broadband to replace T1s, not wi-fi. -- Registered Bandwidth Offender #40812 |
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  cao1964
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| great news
Love to see gov do something better than these monopy companies, even when they set up something that looks good, here come the same company screwing it up, like bittorrent, I love to see more cities do something and make it work, if nothing else I like to see them try to see if its something viable or to see if its really been done better by the companies which I dought. |
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  dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ
| reply to Turbocpe Re: It's Qwest - not Quest
said by Turbocpe : quote: Comcast, Quest Annoyed With Twin Cities Wi-Fi Plans
It's Qwest - not Quest. The headline has a typo. Qwest, Quest, Qworst, is all the same crap by any name. Qwest DSL survivor here. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee |
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You do realize that wireless gear is capable of 10Gbps speeds don't you? Gigabit wireless is growing and definitely a solution. You can run Internet, VoIP and video over it without any issues and it acts just like fiber. Definitely more of an urban solution though. -- Comtrain Certified Tower Climber |
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  madon
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dude! i remember reading a year ago wireless radios broke the 1gb barrier. forget fios forget docsis 3.0 |
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  dav0r translate Premium join:2003-06-15 Albertville, MN
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| Agreed. Wireless will rule. It doesn't matter how much it may be killing babies or whatever. It's cheaper to deploy and it's a matter of time. It's why I left landline to go over to the dark side of wireless in the telephony business.
P.S. $%#* Comcast... |
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  fuziwuzi Not born yesterday Premium join:2005-07-01 Atlanta, GA | imagine that...
... the cable and phone companies bitching about some competition. Are they afraid? |
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| Muni Wifi here in Lompoc is a dismal failure
They have had like 5-years now and one still cannot get a solid stable signal 100ft away from most nodes.
Their solution has been to provide "base units" extend the Tx range of your wifi card. On minor issue is these base units must be PLUGGED INTO 110v outlets so much for the mobile part of the muni mobile wifi.
nice to see if somewhere it might eventually work out well...but here where the sewer meets the sea it's a failure. Thanks Mayor Dick. -- Using Millenicom? Come visit the Unofficial Millenicom forum here on BBR »Millenicom |
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  pipdipchip 8 Megabits A Second Premium join:2003-12-04 Hanover, MN
| reply to pnh102 Re: More Proof that Municipal Internet Bans are Needed
said by pnh102 :The silly notion that the government thinks wireless is the way to go for a speedy network shows very clearly that these governments are completely and totally unqualified to set any sort of broadband policy. The state of Minnesota should step in and ban such activity. Perhaps instead it should focus on keeping bridges from collapsing instead. 1. The state of Minnesota and their bridges have nothing with funding for Municipal Wi-Fi in St. Paul.
2. As with law passed, it must (should) be supported by the residents of the municipality. If residents, want their town to have Wi-Fi, who are you or who is Comcast/ Qwest to tell them otherwise?
3. God forbid should these near-Monopolistic companies have any competition... -- Webmaster of WRTrouters.com - Computer Science Major |
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  KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK
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| reply to pnh102 Fiber is a lot faster then Wi-Fi.
Besides, if the incumbents have a muni threat to kill, they'll offer their best products (VDSL, DOCSIS 3.0 etc) and have sales on prices, so the consumers will have nice speed options and so on.... at least until the Muni threat is killed.... then the lockstep price hikes and so on can begin. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) |
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| reply to TKJunkMail Re: Hey, if it doesn't work, the taxpayers will cover it
This is a smart move by the city.
If they just make Qwest and Comcast believe that they are a threat, Qwest and Comcast will upgrade and offer their best speeds and prices to local residents.... even if the city eventually does nothing.... It will buy the residents time of cheaper broadband and better services.
Until Qwest and Comcast figure it out, anyway. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) |
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  marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
1 edit | reply to pnh102 Re: More Proof that Municipal Internet Bans are Needed
said by pnh102 :The silly notion that the government thinks wireless is the way to go for a speedy network shows very clearly that these governments are completely and totally unqualified to set any sort of broadband policy. Okay, you did not read the article. Wireless internet is not mentioned even once in the entire article. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher |
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  marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
| reply to TKJunkMail Re: Hey, if it doesn't work, the taxpayers will cover it
said by TKJunkMail :The city bureaucrat making the "use bonds" claim doesn't have to pay the higher taxes if wrong. Hopefully the pols and the taxpayers(if they get to vote on the bond issue) are more intelligent about the chances of the project making economical sense. "use bonds" are revenue bonds, not general obligation bonds. Huge difference when you are talking about the potential impact on taxes. The hard part will be getting anyone to buy the bonds. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher |
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