TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
1 edit |  OK, which ISPs already are or will use this technology?
talking with individuals at a number of ISPs, each of which has either already, or is in the process of, implementing NebuAD OK, which ISPs already are or will use this technology? |
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N10Cities
SILENCE I Keel You
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join:2002-05-07
Roland, OK
clubs: | It looks like Centurytel will soon be one... |
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shimonmor
join:2000-12-30
Sedro Woolley, WA | Bring it on...
Use FF and Adblock Plus. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19 | Spread the word...
I expect this byline to pick up speed as more people are alerted to it just like the Comcraptic throttling of P2P. I also expect those ISPs caught using NebuAD to be in the same shit pile. |
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Anomaly95
join:2005-12-11
Phoenix, AZ | reply to shimonmor
Re: Bring it on...
I do. However, I don't like the idea that my browsing history is up for sale. |
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dcurrey
Premium
join:2004-06-29 | Https
Guess all website will have to start using encryption to keep the site from being altered by the isp. Personally I think this type of thing would violate copyrights right and left. |
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Anomaly95
join:2005-12-11
Phoenix, AZ | EFF?
Does anyone know where the EFF sits on this issue? I figured they would've already pounced on this. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to shimonmor
Re: Bring it on...
said by shimonmor  :Use FF and Adblock Plus. That doesn't stop them from collecting your browsing info and selling it. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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said by shimonmor :Use FF and Adblock Plus. This doesn't stop the ISP from harvesting your browsing history at the server level. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| reply to Anomaly95
Re: EFF?
said by Anomaly95 :Does anyone know where the EFF sits on this issue? I figured they would've already pounced on this. Here ya go. The EFF in addtn to others. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| reply to Anomaly95
Re: Bring it on...
Wether its from the ISP, DNS, or web servers (via cookie), all stats collection is for sale.
This is the information age, and it is and has always been for sale at some point.
When you purchase a house... do you not immediately get flooded with junk mail ? Your mortgage information is sold. Data miners are out there, and will pay for trending info.
Where it gets touchy is deep packet inspection, and what particular information is sold, and what comes with it. I.E. Selling your browsing history (google) vs. selling information which ties you to which online bank you use.
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY
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I'm not much of a "hate corporate America" kinda guy, but Google and ISP's sure are doing a good job of making a connection an undesirable thing to have.
Way to go!! Hope the money is good. And, of course, it is, so on it will go.
Not to mention my crunching budget, but tracking/selling along with Microsoft's plans of rented software have started me to push away from internet and computers. I have a cheapy connecton. Lightning speed is no longer appealing. I'd rather pay as little as possible for the shitty treatment I'm receiving. I buy only inexpensive second hand computers. Top notch hardware is no longer appealing in the face of software set to rape me.
Way to go guys. You make me long for 1996, Windows 95, and my old dial-up. I sure did enjoy owning a computer and being on the internet, then..... |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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join:2000-11-08
Brooklyn NYC
·Verizon Online DSL
| Selling out
How is this deep packet inspection spying, any different than a voice recognition system at the CO, recording/analyzing your telephone communications to determine what sales calls you will most likely purchase from? Oh, and then sell the data to telemarketers!
We would not accept this right? So how is it we are accepting this crap?
By accepting this, we are selling out to those who would violate our privacy for a Yankee dollar.
Bob
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See her Here. |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| Just Say No
Ultimately it the owners not the employees that call the shot s. The technicians forget who they work for and the purpose of a company is to make money. On the other hand, best way counter NebAD is the consumer to boycott any company that sends ads using NebAD system. Money talks; if NebuAD doesn't generate any profit the system goes away. Let put it this was , if I find out your company is using my profile to send targeted ad, I will not do business at that company. They have lost my business. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·BroadVoice
| reply to TamaraB
Re: Selling out
said by TamaraB :How is this deep packet inspection spying, any different than a voice recognition system at the CO, recording/analyzing your telephone communications to determine what sales calls you will most likely purchase from? Oh, and then sell the data to telemarketers! Its not the same thing, as nobody is actually reading your emails and so forth. A better example would be that the phone company analyzed your monthly calling patterns, and then you received ads in the mail for long distance calling plans based on those patterns.
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clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI | reply to Anomaly95
Re: EFF?
I received a reply to that question a few weeks ago and their initial opinion is that it violates several laws and privacy statutes. |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| Pollute the data?
Would it be possible to pollute the data by writing a program that, to the NebuAD box, looks like a browser? It could send out tons of bogus HTTP requests that would hide the sites your real browser is looking at by mixing them into the flood of packets. If enough users ran it, it would make the NebuAD data absolutely worthless.
If I were a programmer, I'd write it, but since I'm not, maybe someone out there could give it a shot. Call it SurfGuard, and every user out there would want it, even if they didn't know exactly what it did. |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to en102
Re: Bring it on...
The Google cookie, and other tracking by advertisers online, is not comparable to the Nebuad spybox. The difference is that you can opt out of any online tracking by ad servers, etc. if you are well-informed enough to know what to do about cookies, javascript and other tricks that websites use. But when it's the ISP doing the data-mining, you can't opt out without the ISP allowing you to, because all your traffic is intercepted between you and the internet.
And of course the ISPs can put whatever they want in their "terms of service" and the vast majority of internet users don't have a choice of any other provider offering better terms. This is called (by economists) a market failure. (The telcos and cablecos talk about "letting the market handle it" when they want to avoid regulation, but they do all they can to prevent competition.)
That's why we need legislation to protect us from abuses like this. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| True - there is a VERY big difference between session logging at the web site level and intercepting/snarfing/eavesdropping on all packets, and reselling 'some'  of the information.
I think that even if there was a significant amount of competition, most, if not all would sell your information. Those that wouldn't sell your information would charge a premium... and you still can't guarantee that they wouldn't do it anyways.
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533 | Since when
Since when do suits listen to engineers (ya know, the smart people)? |
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