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Comments on news posted 2008-05-30 09:05:53: A reader in Amsterdam sends word that one French cable operator, in an effort to try and convince people that running FTTH is too expensive, is telling France's largest paper that Verizon has stopped deploying FiOS due to cost. ..


Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA

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Lying is in the cable genome

And the article brags about how much Comcast fleeces from their subscribers.

Surprising they omit how Americans love even the IRS more than Comcast and how the cable giant is rated at the bottom of the US telecom industry and falling. Also no mention of how Comcast has to resort to illegal predatory pricing »Comcast Vs. Utopia »Predatory Pricing in Montgomery County, MD »www.wideopenwest.com/00_frame_ne···ry4.html »'Discounted' Competition to compete with fiber.

What a joke.
cornelius785

join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA

Re: Lying is in the cable genome

maybe in the begining the cable industry was built upon getting higher quality (compared to over the air) TV content to the consumer, but now it seems like they are built upon lies, deciet, and figuring out how to spread more FUD and scam the consumer out of more money.

FFH
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Tavistock NJ
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Sorry, but LeMonde never says Verizon stopping fiber rollout

»French Paper Claims FiOS Is Dead
Verizon has just announced that it would stop installing optic fiber to the end-customer. Too slow, too expensive.
Here is the English translation of the story by Google:
»translate.google.com/translate?u···234.html
Verizon, which has announced that he would install fiber optic to the subscriber. Too long, too expensive. The cost of recruiting a subscriber was estimated at 5 000 dollars (3 170 euros) and recovered only 3 400 dollars.
The article does say "slow & expensive". Nowhere does it say that Verizon would stop installing fiber.
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Rob
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Re: Sorry, but LeMonde never says Verizon stopping fiber rollout

said by FFH:

»French Paper Claims FiOS Is Dead
Verizon has just announced that it would stop installing optic fiber to the end-customer. Too slow, too expensive.
Here is the English translation of the story by Google:
»translate.google.com/translate?u···234.html
Verizon, which has announced that he would install fiber optic to the subscriber. Too long, too expensive. The cost of recruiting a subscriber was estimated at 5 000 dollars (3 170 euros) and recovered only 3 400 dollars.
The article does say "slow & expensive". Nowhere does it say that Verizon would stop installing fiber.
You're trusting a web-based translation system?
MRCUR

join:2007-03-09
Columbia, PA
Actually, the article does indeed say that Verizon has "come to announce the renunciation of installing fiber to the subscriber."

I'm not trusting an online translation for this, I'm trusting myself. Both Google Translate and Babel Fish don't understand "renoncait." That means to renounce or to give up.

amarryat
Verizon FiOS

join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
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Re: Sorry, but LeMonde never says Verizon stopping fiber rollout

said by MRCUR:

Actually, the article does indeed say that Verizon has "come to announce the renunciation of installing fiber to the subscriber."

I'm not trusting an online translation for this, I'm trusting myself. Both Google Translate and Babel Fish don't understand "renoncait." That means to renounce or to give up.
Maybe the French used the Google translator to translate some Verizon press releases and got those backward.

gimme5

join:2002-12-23
Kissimmee, FL

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said by FFH:

Nowhere does it say that Verizon would stop installing fiber.
Yes it does. Google just messed up the translation.
neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA

Wow

if they stoped deploying FiOS then I sure wonder what Verizon is currently stringing around my area when they claim its fiber for FiOS *lol* if this is a stop deployment then i'm all for it...
daveberstein

join:2002-07-15
New York, NY

Verizon France comment

Karl and folks

I had to kill some rumors on this from France, because Verizon is in fact promising to continue their build until 2014. I found the same discrepancy in the Google translation, but also found the "better" translation from France.

Which doesn't mean Le Monde is right in the article, because it isn't. I'd guess the French source or writer of the story misunderstood something in English and go this wrong.

db

Packeteers
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the French are right

in principle. FIOS is dead on arrival
if you believe wireless will eclipse
it's usefulness long before the FIOS
build out is complete. we forget that
wireless is far more developed and
depended on in South East Asia then
here in North America, where any cable
or phone company can pressure officials
to let them lay cables every where.
EPS4

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA

Re: the French are right

Bah, everyone talks about wireless, but why do countries like Japan, with very advanced and developed wireless networks, also have large fiber deployments? An open RF system can never have the same amount of bandwidth as a closed fiber-optic system.

Couldn't one theoretically use wireless-type technologies over coaxial cable, anyway? And then you have substantially more spectrum available- the soon-to-be largest US wireless carrier (yes, even including the recent auction) by spectrum, "the new" Clearwire, has only about 100 MHz of spectrum, and it's in the 2.5 GHz band where propagation (through walls, for example) is a problem. Verizon Wireless will soon have 22 MHz in the superior 700 MHz band, which is better for propagation, but at the cost of having far less spectrum available, even when combined with their existing 800 MHz assets. (Which it can't be, since they'll have to keep legacy CDMA/EV-DO in place for quite awhile even after LTE)

Technogeez
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"Right in principle" usually means "wrong."
PDXPLT

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Banks, OR

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said by Packeteers:

in principle. FIOS is dead on arrival
if you believe wireless will eclipse
it's usefulness long before the FIOS
build out is complete.
Yea, but no one believes that.
Expand your moderator at work

Packeteers
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right now, in 2008;

-you can get 1080p HDTV 5-channel audio reception off over the air UHF antenna.
-you can get unlimited 1500/768 Broadband using a Cellular Data Card or data enabled phone with bluetooth.
-all the while regular phone calls and text pricing is dropping.

you really think this over the air technologies will not improve and expand by 2012 when FOIS is supposed to be built? it will, in ways you obviously can't imagine especially once the low-VHF bands go up for sale. Verizon will use some of it's $24 Billion dollars to RETARD the very innovation it will ultimately have to compete with.

Taylortbb
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Kitchener, ON

Re: why the French are right

Exactly, 1500/768 (that's in kb/s), that's pretty slow compared to fibre. With 40Gb/s (40000000kb/s) fibre connections now a reality it's really not comparable. That also doesn't change the fact you can always light additional frequencies on a fibre optic cable. Fibre has virtually unlimited bandwidth.

I don't think wireless will ever compete, but maybe one day it will. I'm however pretty sure that day will be far enough in the future that fios will have been worth it.

I consider it basically a certainty that anything hyped as a future technology will not be, and the real future technology will be something we never expected. This is because humans cannot predict what will be invented or discovered, simply because we don't know what's out there. If wireless was going to seriously compete it would be competing by now, it's been around long enough.
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kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
said by Packeteers:

-you can get unlimited 1500/768 Broadband using a Cellular Data Card or data enabled phone with bluetooth.
Ummm hate to break you but in Europe they are already at 7Mb HSUPA.... of course, they didn't have to deal with corrupt US legislative system and incompatible, proprietary networks with mandatory multi-year contract locks.

OTOH Cingular is rolling out HSUPA IIRC so not everything lost here - no wonder that's an EU-like standard...
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n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

Come Here

Perhaps they should come over to my neighborhood where Verizon trucks are pulling fiber and drag lines for FiOS. We are expected to be online by the end of the summer. I guess they did not get the notice around here that it was dead :-D
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cornelius785

join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA

so i suppose the future is coax cable

i'm just amazed that a cable company in france is claiming that a telco company in america that their fiber deployment is a waste. i would have never expected a cable company to insult their competition.... woops insult a telephone company, on the other side of the pond.

i'm calling BS and FUD on this 'paper'.

mod_wastrel
iamwhatiam

join:2008-03-28
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Re: so i suppose the future is coax cable

Not just coax, but "large diameter" coax... sounds like 'thick-net' to me (everyone remembers that right? 1980's?)

Johnsin

@algx.net

Wireless will not kill wires..

Wireless is inherently less secure then fiber. Plus, you get interference with wireless sometimes.. so for situations where you need a somewhat secure and interference free link to the net.. you are obviously going to stick to the lines.

This isn't saying that wireless isn't going to become a competitor and possibly a much better value.. its just saying that.. there will never be a time when landlines are dead.
Windogg

join:2002-07-24
Cambridge, MA

Verizon Surrenders!

How come I'm not surprised an article about giving up is coming from France?
yazdzik
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Honesdale, PA
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google translation?

c'est l'opérateur de télécommunications Verizon qui vient d'annoncer qu'il renonçait à installer de la fibre optique jusqu'à l'abonné

idiomatic tranlsation is a skill not data transfer -
last time I used the word, renonçait meant abandon, and the last time I discussed the issue, la fibre optique jusqu'à l'abonné was FTTH -
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Ous

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Re: google translation?

"c'est l'opérateur de télécommunications Verizon qui vient d'annoncer qu'il renonçait à installer de la fibre optique jusqu'à l'abonné"

I am a native French speaker so I am not relying on any web based tools..That sentence is clear it says: Its the telecom operator Verizon which has just announced that it will stop the deployment of optic fiber all the way to the customer's premise.
yazdzik
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Honesdale, PA
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Re: google translation?

Exactly what is says - this is what surprises me.
The reporter must be in error. The poster who translated this incorrectly, likewise.

best,
m
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teraflop

@comcast.net

freedom fries lives again!

You have got to be kidding me.
Its a BS rumor. Nothing more until Verizon says so.
regardless of translation, regardless of third party analysis, regardless of opinions.