footballdude
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Aren't DDOS attacks illegal? If they admit doing it, shouldn't there be legal action?
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Morac
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1 edit | said by footballdude  :Aren't DDOS attacks illegal? If they admit doing it, shouldn't there be legal action? Yes, what Media Defender did (and is still doing) was illegal, but it's amazing what you can get away when your clients (**IA) are throwing money at Congress.
Realistically criminal proceedings should be opened against Media Defender at this point. Barring that I hope Revision3 sues Media Defender into bankruptcy, but with the **IA and their bottomless pockets backing Media Defender somehow i doubt that will happen. Someone on Slashdot also suggested that even if Media Defender goes under, the parent corp that owns it can just open shop under another company name with business as usual. |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL | reply to footballdude
Revision3 has asked the FBI to investigate.
IMHO, Revision3 should sue Media Defender, if only to prove a point that this behavior must stop. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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[...]what would have happened if Revision3 had "been an airport using BitTorrent to distribute approaches to the runaway?"
Media Defender wouldn't give 2 shits about it and nothing further would be said because we all know that IP enforcement takes precedence over human life.
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Chiyo
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Re: Illegal?
said by ISurfTooMuch :Revision3 has asked the FBI to investigate. IMHO, Revision3 should sue Media Defender, if only to prove a point that this behavior must stop. +1 |
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TKJunkMail
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what would have happened if Revision3 had "been an airport using BitTorrent to distribute approaches to the runaway?" What a moronic analogy. Like an airport approach control system would use bittorrent to manage a REALTIME process like landing airplanes. The CEO of Revision3 is REALLY reaching there to make his case.
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Illegal?
said by footballdude :Aren't DDOS attacks illegal? If they admit doing it, shouldn't there be legal action? had their systems set to automatically bombarded the closed tracker with 8,000 SYN packets a second The systems weren't SET to create a DDos. That was a side affect of an attempt to reach a resource that was taken offline. Should MD been monitoring their system better? No doubt about it. But the characterization that they PLANNED a DDos is wrong.
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kapil
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Re: What a moronic analogy
Oh Lawd! Could it be that you and I agree on something?
If airports are using bit torrent for a mission critical task, we have a whole other set of issues to deal with that have nothing to do with the RIAA.
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ptrowski
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Runway approaches can change as construction, etc is done. I highly doubt he meant it was for real-time landings. |
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Matt
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Re: Illegal?
said by TKJunkMail :said by footballdude :Aren't DDOS attacks illegal? If they admit doing it, shouldn't there be legal action? had their systems set to automatically bombarded the closed tracker with 8,000 SYN packets a second The systems weren't SET to create a DDos. That was a side affect of an attempt to reach a resource that was taken offline. Should MD been monitoring their system better? No doubt about it. But the characterization that they PLANNED a DDos is wrong. Trying to establish 8000 new sessions a SECOND is a DDoS, whether they meant to or not. Claiming ignorance is no excuse. Media Defender can claim whatever they want, but I'm sure this was completely intentional behavior that they KNEW would take the smaller trackers offline if the trackers found a way to block them.
Kind of like my girlfriend dropping a grenade in CoD4 after I killed her - only Media Defender's grenade was 9Gbps of bandwidth and hundreds of servers pumping out 8000 SYN requests per second. |
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battleop
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Re: What a moronic analogy
Remember that BitTorrent is only used by people who are into collecting Linux ISOs. |
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SilverSurfer
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1 edit | said by battleop :Remember that BitTorrent is only used by people who are into collecting Linux ISOs. Sure. Just like the only people who use their connection to download anything but the weather forecast are thieves. |
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en102
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Re: Good Question
I agree... Media Defender hasn't taken all scenarios (or many ) into account.
On the flip side... what kind of runway would use BitTorrent to distribute approaches, let alone a public network.
I do agree that any DDOS attack against any a company would hold them liable for any harm that it caused though.
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Re: Illegal?
said by TKJunkMail :said by footballdude :Aren't DDOS attacks illegal? If they admit doing it, shouldn't there be legal action? had their systems set to automatically bombarded the closed tracker with 8,000 SYN packets a second The systems weren't SET to create a DDos. That was a side affect of an attempt to reach a resource that was taken offline. Should MD been monitoring their system better? No doubt about it. But the characterization that they PLANNED a DDos is wrong. So you support media defender inserting fake files into legal torrents? |
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Matt
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Re: What a moronic analogy
said by SilverSurfer :said by battleop :Remember that BitTorrent is only used by people who are into collecting Linux ISOs. Sure. Just like the only people who use their connection to download anything but the weather forecast are thieves. Does that mean Media Defender will target this site next? |
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yuutomo
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Missoula, MT | Why...
hasn't Revision3 filed criminal charges against MediDefender? |
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Austinloop
join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Illegal?
Following that logic, if someone's gun was to go off accidentally and dispatch you from this earthly vail of tears, the shooter should get a pass because it was an accident???? |
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Pizz
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Astoria, NY | reply to yuutomo
Re: Why...
Gotta love when the suppose 'good guys' go down the illegal highway. |
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