PhoenixDown
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| FCC CPNI Rules?
The FCC recently strengthened their position on CPNI stating that customer information cannot be shared with third parties unless the customer specifically agrees. My take, and I am not a lawyer, is that sharing the info for marketing purposes with a company like nebuAD would be highly against the rules. And since this information is still shared despite the cookie opt out method, I think Charter would be in violation.
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benc
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| Does this apply to "Business" customers?
About this system:
I think it's no good, and yes it should be opt-in, with the default being no, instead of the other way around.
Now I'm wondering: Unlike most of their customers (probably), I get my HSI through their Business division.
I did that because some things are done differently. These things include:
- More liberal TOS.
- No port restrictions.
- No throttling.
- Static IP.
The downside? It's expensive for what you get.
I wonder, is my browsing history still sold to this company? |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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|  What can you do in the meantime ?
While awaiting Congressional action and any changes to privacy rules and ISP data collection of browsing history, what could you do if you don't want your data collected?
You could always use a VPN based proxy service. Then the ISP can't see your web pages to modify them since they are encrypted. The only thing they will see is that you are going to the VPN proxy web site - nothing more.
Here is only 1 example. There are many others:
»www.banana-vpn.net/supportfaq.htm
But it will cost you $20/mo.
So, if you REALLY don't want to wait or are overly concerned your browsing history may be monitored, then you can shell out some money and be sure of your privacy.
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Ixne
join:2004-03-23
Dearborn, MI | Other ISPs use NebuAD too
Wide Open West (WOW) for one. They recent sent the "Privacy Statement" that includes a link to Opt-Out of NebuAD. That adds a cookie that supposedly exempts you. And who doesn't periodically clean out cookies? |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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Re: FCC CPNI Rules?
said by PhoenixDown  :[...] sharing the info for marketing purposes with a company like nebuAD would be highly against the rules. And since this information is still shared despite the cookie opt out method, I think Charter would be in violation. That never stopped the DMA from ignoring the law before. Case in point: the national do not call list. I still get sales calls despite having been registered on that site pretty much since the day it was launched. |
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goalieskates
join:2004-09-12
Knoxville, TN
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| reply to Ixne
Re: Other ISPs use NebuAD too
Knology uses NebuAd too. I've been having an email discussion with them, and one nice lady kindly directed me to the NebuAd page where they promise the data is anonymized. When I wrote back and said hey, it can't be if they know me well enough to serve me an appropriate ad, she stopped answering.  |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to benc
Re: Does this apply to "Business" customers?
said by benc :About this system: I think it's no good, and yes it should be opt-in, with the default being no, instead of the other way around. Now I'm wondering: Unlike most of their customers (probably), I get my HSI through their Business division. I did that because some things are done differently. These things include: - More liberal TOS. - No port restrictions. - No throttling. - Static IP. The downside? It's expensive for what you get. I wonder, is my browsing history still sold to this company? If it is, see my signature. I've added a section for "user submitted" sites to help pollute the data they collect. If you can't fight them in court, fight them in the wallet and make all the data they collect useless and worthless. 
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Vertickle
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL | reply to goalieskates
Re: Other ISPs use NebuAD too
Did you see any method for opt'n out? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to PhoenixDown
Re: FCC CPNI Rules?
said by PhoenixDown :The FCC recently strengthened their position on CPNI stating that customer information cannot be shared with third parties unless the customer specifically agrees. My take, and I am not a lawyer, is that sharing the info for marketing purposes with a company like nebuAD would be highly against the rules. And since this information is still shared despite the cookie opt out method, I think Charter would be in violation. Then all Charter has to do is put in the TOS, by getting Charter internet you are agreeing to data sharing, if you do not agree, do not order service.
Remember internet IS NOT regulated by the FCC. Nobody regulates it. |
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anonny55
@lamrc.com | reply to SilverSurfer
The "do not call" list will only work if enough people complain about a specific violator. |
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TamaraB
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Brooklyn NYC
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| reply to knightmb
Re: Does this apply to "Business" customers?
said by knightmb :... I've added a section for "user submitted" sites to help pollute the data they collect. ... I use TrackMeNot on FireFox. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if Mozilla were to implement such a system as a defaulted on "option" right in their browsers?
Such a move from the open source community, would end this nonsense in a heartbeat.
Bob
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to goalieskates
Re: Other ISPs use NebuAD too
I think that NebuAd can see that 10.100.100.143 goes to dslreports.com not goalieskates goes to dslreports.com. |
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY | reply to patcat88
Re: FCC CPNI Rules?
Not that they wouldn't do it, but forced consent is a bit of a contradiction in terms. I don't think it would hold up if challenged. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to benc
Re: Does this apply to "Business" customers?
said by benc :I think it's no good, and yes it should be opt-in, with the default being no, instead of the other way around. But theres no $ $ $ Money $ $ $ in opt-in.
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PhoenixDown
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
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Re: FCC CPNI Rules?
I don't believe they can do that. It appears a separate consent authorization form is needed. |
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PhoenixDown
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| What about COPPA?
I suspect this breaks COPPA compliance as well.
»www.coppa.org/coppa.htm
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(A) means any person who operates a website located on the Internet or an online service and who collects or maintains personal information from or about the users of or visitors to such website or online service, or on whose behalf such information is collected or maintained, where such website or online service is operated for commercial purposes, including any person offering products or services for sale through that website or online service, involving commerce—
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(A) the release of personal information collected from a child in identifiable form by an operator for any purpose, except where such information is provided to a person other than the operator who provides support for the internal operations of the website and does not disclose or use that information for any other purpose; and
(B) making personal information collected from a child by a website or online service directed to children or with actual knowledge that such information was collected from a child, publicly available in identifiable form, by any means including by a public posting, through the Internet, or through—
(i) a home page of a website;
(ii) a pen pal service;
(iii) an electronic mail service;
(iv) a message board; or
(v) a chat room.
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Cable_Guy
@charter.com
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Re: Does this apply to "Business" customers?
said by benc :About this system: I think it's no good, and yes it should be opt-in, with the default being no, instead of the other way around. Now I'm wondering: Unlike most of their customers (probably), I get my HSI through their Business division. I did that because some things are done differently. These things include: - More liberal TOS. - No port restrictions. - No throttling. - Static IP. The downside? It's expensive for what you get. I wonder, is my browsing history still sold to this company? This does not apply to Business customers. I work for the business department and we have been told the business accounts will be exempted from the monitoring. |
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benc
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Glen Carbon, IL
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| reply to knightmb
said by knightmb :If it is, see my signature. I've added a section for "user submitted" sites to help pollute the data they collect. If you can't fight them in court, fight them in the wallet and make all the data they collect useless and worthless. Hmm...very interesting idea.
It sounds good, though now I'm wondering about something: How much data transfer is consumed each month?
Personally, I don't care. But people on TWC soon might. |
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benc
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| reply to dvd536
said by dvd536 :But theres no $ $ $ Money $ $ $ in opt-in. So? I don't care. I send Charter more than enough. Shouldn't that be enough?
Wait, I'm on Charter Business. That's why my rates are high. But still, even on residential I suspect they still have a pretty good profit margin. |
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benc
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| reply to Cable_Guy
said by Cable_Guy :
]This does not apply to Business customers. I work for the business department and we have been told the business accounts will be exempted from the monitoring.
Thank you very much for this information. I guess I really am getting some extra value for my money. |
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