grydlok
join:2004-01-06
Richmond, VA | Stall tactics
Charlie trying to stall TiVo out. |
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herdfan
Premium
join:2003-01-25
Hurricane, WV | It is a HUGE risk he is taking with his company. Then estimated annual payment is almost nothing to DISH, so they should just license the tech and be done. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
 ·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| Financial trouble ?
Dish has the money that's been decided/awarded from the earlier court case sitting in a fund specifically for the time when they finally "lose". They even mention it in their annual report filing.
said by KathrynV  : In part due to these issues, Dish has been consistently losing market share to DirecTV. When/where have these two issues been tied together ? The average consumer neither knows nor cares about court/patent battles that a company is involved in. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by Hall :Dish has the money that's been decided/awarded from the earlier court case sitting in a fund specifically for the time when they finally "lose". They even mention it in their annual report filing. said by KathrynV : In part due to these issues, Dish has been consistently losing market share to DirecTV. When/where have these two issues been tied together ? The average consumer neither knows nor cares about court/patent battles that a company is involved in. They do when it shows up as a line item compliance fee on their bills.
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belawrence
It's All About The Games
join:2000-08-06
Santee, CA
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Cox HSI
| world domination
Essentially, Tivo believes that anybody who makes something even remotely resembling a DVR is infringing on them. Expect them to start going after everybody else (Motorola, Cisco) once this case concludes, Just like Verizon did after beating Vonage in court.
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DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC
·Suddenlink
| reply to Hall
Re: Financial trouble ?
said by Hall : The average consumer neither knows nor cares about court/patent battles that a company is involved in. They will when their DVR gets shut off by court order. |
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nanoflower
join:2002-07-14
30876 | reply to belawrence
Re: world domination
They will not be going after Motorola or Cisco. Those two companies will be using Tivo software for the DVRs so there is no reason for Tivo to go after them. They may go after DirecTV once their agreement comes to an end. |
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Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-01
IA | reply to belawrence
I agree. The patent system is flawed. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to DataDoc
Re: Financial trouble ?
said by DataDoc : They will when their DVR gets shut off by court order. How many times has it been announced "Dish must shut down DVRs due to court finding" ? It's been more than once... and they're still working today.
Besides, I asked how Dish losing market share and these issues are related (turns out the story here was just a lot of re-wording of the Multichannel News article anyway). If a customer's DVR did get shut off, they're obviously already a Dish customer, and therefore not part of the "lost" market share. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to belawrence
Re: world domination
said by belawrence : Expect them to start going after everybody else (Motorola, Cisco) once this case concludes Time Warner will be next... They've dumped, or are dumping, their 3rd-party set-top software for DVRs and are writing it themselves. Basically, if your DVR can record a show while you watch another show 'live', you're infringing on TiVo's patent(s) and are in violation. If you don't pay the licensing fee, they're going to sue you. |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX | reply to Hall
Re: Financial trouble ?
That court order was on the news papers and even local news stations in the DFW area. Trust me people heard about it. |
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djoropallo
join:2003-10-20
Maple Shade, NJ | If Dish has to shut off DVRs we're gone
I really like that with the Dish DVRs I only need 1 coax as opposed to the 2 I had with DTV at our previous residence, but if they lose and the DVRs are shut down we are gone, live TV sucks. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | reply to NOCMan
Re: Financial trouble ?
And did people leave ? For the record, and you can get this from their annual report, Dish had just over 13 million customers in 2006 and for 2007, they had a little under 14 million. So, they gained customers... |
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dude34221
join:2002-06-13
Galena, OH | tivo=milk
tivo has been milking the dvr patent since they failed as a company to stay afloat. sue to win in america, i am going to patent the internet al gore style and sue everyone after all its the american way? don't forget the overcrowded court is free! |
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Nostinkingbadges
@dslextreme.com
| It's Not Tivo
It's not the fights with Tivo, or with Directv for market
share or any other BS that's killing DN.
It's FTA. If you don't know what it is, Google it.
DN's security system is completely hacked and with the
right equipment and software you can get all their
programming for free.
Over 2 million FTA receivers have been sold in the USA and Canada in the last five years. Enough said. |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
2 edits | reply to belawrence
Re: world domination
said by belawrence :Essentially, Tivo believes that anybody who makes something even remotely resembling a DVR is infringing on them. Expect them to start going after everybody else (Motorola, Cisco) once this case concludes, Just like Verizon did after beating Vonage in court. The difference here is that TiVo has licensing agreements with many other companies (Cisco, Motorola, Sony, Panasonic, Comcast, Cox, DirectTV). So they won't sue them. They sued Dish, because while TiVo and Dish were in good faith negotiations, Dish copied TiVo's designs and came out with their own TiVo. |
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Dude
What Happens When I Do This
Premium
join:2000-11-20
Chicago, IL
clubs:   | reply to belawrence
Hey Tivo came up with something and others wanna copy it. I think they deserve the money
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| said by Dude :Hey Tivo came up with something and others wanna copy it. Do you know what they came up with ? |
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Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-01
IA
·Mediacom
| reply to Dude
said by Dude :Hey Tivo came up with something and others wanna copy it. I think they deserve the money Yeah but the problem is they think they own the concept of time shifting.
So some company designs and develops a product and TiVO wants to get money off of it. |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| said by Anonymous :Yeah but the problem is they think they own the concept of time shifting. So some company designs and develops a product and TiVO wants to get money off of it. Actually they don't think they own the concept of time shifting. They own the TimeWarp patent, which is a specific type of time shifting designed to work on devices with very little processing power (this is the Media Switch). You can view the patent (diagrams and all) here.
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