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Comments on news posted 2008-06-09 11:06:34: If you're looking to see the impact low caps and per-byte billing has on a customer base, look no further than our neighbors to the North. ..
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Fantasm
@rogers.com
| Legally over the cap? The following are legal downloads:
»newvoyages.us:1701/index.html?sort=1
"Star Trek - New voyages Ep:In Harm's Way" Size:1.34 Gigs
"Star Trek - New Voyages Ep:To Serve all my Days" Size:2.63 Gigs
"Star Trek - New Voyages Ep:Come What May" Size:3.87 gigs
There are more there to download...
A few other cap eaters:
Unreal Tournament III patch 1.1 Size:234.08 Megs
Unreal tournament III demo 741 Megs
Sins Of a Solar Empire: Size:549.1MB
Then there is streaming audio...
Downloadable tv shows For example Jericho, Seasons 1 and 2 downloadable from »www.cbs.com/primetime/jericho/video/
By the way, I have an 8 megapixel camera. My friend has a 12megapixel. Bigger ones are on the way... I can easily take over 4 gigs of photos in a month. Now, do I send my pics to one relative and ask them to forward them because my ISP caps me, or do I send my pics to all my relatives at once...
100 pics x 8 megs x 20 relatives = 1.600 gigs
And don't tell me to reduce them to a smaller size, that's not why I got an 8 megapixel camera.
Anybody who believes caps are good, is very mistaken. Do you also enjoy the $6.95 "System Access Fee" on your cellphone bill too? | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
2 edits | Re: Legally over the cap? said by Fantasm :The following are legal downloads: » newvoyages.us:1701/index.html?sort=1"Star Trek - New voyages Ep:In Harm's Way" Size:1.34 Gigs "Star Trek - New Voyages Ep:To Serve all my Days" Size:2.63 Gigs "Star Trek - New Voyages Ep:Come What May" Size:3.87 gigs I doubt the legality of those.
A few other cap eaters:
Unreal Tournament III patch 1.1 Size:234.08 Megs
Unreal tournament III demo 741 Megs
Sins Of a Solar Empire: Size:549.1MB Total 1.6 GB who cares. Only 93.4 GB left.
Then there is streaming audio... most is 128 kbps. 6 hours day = 10 GB a month
Ok let's get out terms right. Those are STREAMING episodes not downloadable episodes. Cbs and companies like that don't stream over 1.5 Mbps if that. I hour of streaming Tv a day would be 20 GB a month at best.
By the way, I have an 8 megapixel camera. My friend has a 12megapixel. Bigger ones are on the way... I can easily take over 4 gigs of photos in a month. Now, do I send my pics to one relative and ask them to forward them because my ISP caps me, or do I send my pics to all my relatives at once...
100 pics x 8 megs x 20 relatives = 1.600 gigs
And don't tell me to reduce them to a smaller size, that's not why I got an 8 megapixel camera. there is ZERO reason to send a 8 MP picture over the internet unless it's for business. I guess you're one of those suckers that thinks the more MP a camera has got the better pictures it takes. You realize even a 30" monitor at 2560X1600 is only 4 MP. And you only need a 6-7 MP camera to take really good 11X14 shots. 11X14 at 200 DPI is 6 MP. So why would you be sending 8 MP shots? Even at 8 MP is you're sending in jpeg format that wouldn't even be 4 MB. That comes to 8 GB if that.
I call bullshit on you.
Anybody who believes caps are good, is very mistaken. just shows how ignorant you are.
You know in fantasyland we'd all have 100 Mbps connection with unlimited bandwidth and hell the service would be 100% free, cable would be free, phone would be free, electricity would be free, gas would be free, housing would be free, food would be free etc etc. Um..but we live in a place called the REAL WORLD. | |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17
1 edit | Re: Legally over the cap? Yes, umm "we" do. | |
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
1 edit | said by BF69  :said by Fantasm :The following are legal downloads: » newvoyages.us:1701/index.html?sort=1"Star Trek - New voyages Ep:In Harm's Way" Size:1.34 Gigs "Star Trek - New Voyages Ep:To Serve all my Days" Size:2.63 Gigs "Star Trek - New Voyages Ep:Come What May" Size:3.87 gigs I doubt the legality of those. A few other cap eaters:
Unreal Tournament III patch 1.1 Size:234.08 Megs
Unreal tournament III demo 741 Megs
Sins Of a Solar Empire: Size:549.1MB Total 1.6 GB who cares. Only 93.4 GB left. Then there is streaming audio... most is 128 kbps. 6 hours day = 10 GB a month Ok let's get out terms right. Those are STREAMING episodes not downloadable episodes. Cbs and companies like that don't stream over 1.5 Mbps if that. I hour of streaming Tv a day would be 20 GB a month at best. By the way, I have an 8 megapixel camera. My friend has a 12megapixel. Bigger ones are on the way... I can easily take over 4 gigs of photos in a month. Now, do I send my pics to one relative and ask them to forward them because my ISP caps me, or do I send my pics to all my relatives at once...
100 pics x 8 megs x 20 relatives = 1.600 gigs
And don't tell me to reduce them to a smaller size, that's not why I got an 8 megapixel camera. there is ZERO reason to send a 8 MP picture over the internet unless it's for business. I guess you're one of those suckers that thinks the more MP a camera has got the better pictures it takes. You realize even a 30" monitor at 2560X1600 is only 4 MP. And you only need a 6-7 MP camera to take really good 11X14 shots. 11X14 at 200 DPI is 6 MP. So why would you be sending 8 MP shots? Even at 8 MP is you're sending in jpeg format that wouldn't even be 4 MB. That comes to 8 GB if that. I call bullshit on you. Anybody who believes caps are good, is very mistaken. just shows how ignorant you are. You know in fantasyland we'd all have 100 Mbps connection with unlimited bandwidth and hell the service would be 100% free, cable would be free, phone would be free, electricity would be free, gas would be free, housing would be free, food would be free etc etc. Um..but we live in a place called the REAL WORLD. 0 reason to send a 8MP image over the net? I call bullshit on you! How about wallpapers? I send 8mp images over the net every day, it's called "You need high quality images to have high quality prints through your online photo developer". The bigger the image, the better. Period. Caps are NOT god by any means, and you apparently are NOT thinking outside the box at all. Think of all the money invested by other companies besides ISP's in video. ABC, Youtube, on and on, and I won't even start on social networking sites. You can watch movies via Netflic now online. These ISP's aren't only stifling technology for the consumer, but also other companies as well and I HOPE these companies come together and take the ISP's right to court! This is NOTHING short of a money grab and bending over the consumer, period! Ironic isn't it that we all the sudden get faster speeds, DOCIS 3 is coming, and now this crap. Don't ya think there's something a tad wrong and fishy there?
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Legally over the cap? said by HotRodFoto :0 reason to send a 8MP image over the net? I call bullshit on you! How about wallpapers? I send 8mp images over the net every day, it's called "You need high quality images to have high quality prints through your online photo developer". The bigger the image, the better. wallpapers? Unless you've got a 30 inch monitor you don't need a 8 MP wallpapper. Even then I doubt you do. You can not tell a differnce on a 24 inch or smaller monitor between a wallpapper that is 8 MP or 2 MP.
Also let just go ahead an assume you have a "need" to consistantly send 8 MP over the internet completely uncompressed that has nothing do with business ...cough.... cough.( I mean if you were using them for business that might require you to get a business account with you ISP ) well that would be, what, 24 MB. So if you were on Rogers 95 GB cap plan and used half your cap to used for sending uncompressed 8 MP images you could send 2000 pics a month. Of course if you sent them in the highest quality jpeg format you could send 12,000. So what is your issue again?
Also I'm not sure what Rogers highest upload speed is, but assuming it's 2 Mbps then you'd spend 53 hours a month sending 2000 uncompressed 8 MP pictures. That's quite a "hobby" | |
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join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
1 edit | Re: Legally over the cap? quote:
wallpapers? Unless you've got a 30 inch monitor you don't need a 8 MP wallpapper. Even then I doubt you do. You can not tell a differnce on a 24 inch or smaller monitor between a wallpapper that is 8 MP or 2 MP.
Let me just say as a photographer: YOU ARE WRONG. There, I said it.
1) I'd almost guarantee I could tell the difference on my 20" display between a 2 and an 8MP image as a wallpaper. Especially if there's any cropping done to fit the aspect ratio.
2) For printing, you want 300-360 DPI (depending on the printer). Some want more. So for uploading to Shutterfly, Mpix, Costco, etc. you want to send the whole huge file. Not to mention on many prints there is some sort of cropping needed. So you want all the pixels.
4) It is generally accepted that for best quality at every level you record in the highest resolution and crop as the next to last step (last is sharpening). It's why the images from my 12MP camera blow away the 3.3MP camera on screen.
So, yes there are valid reasons.
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Also I'm not sure what Rogers highest upload speed is, but assuming it's 2 Mbps then you'd spend 53 hours a month sending 2000 uncompressed 8 MP pictures. That's quite a "hobby"
Apparently you have no friends, family, etc that live far away. Very easy to throw my pics up on a website, and let them download the ones that they want to print, all in their 12MP glory. | |
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
1 edit | I send images that are continually over 18 megs straight to Mpix, and ya many others do as well. And yes u CAN tell the difference on a 24 screen from a 2mp to a 8mp :rolls eyes: If that was the case then there would be no need for high res images for web use on stock agency sites.
Now let's go in and add in online backup from say.....Mozy.com , streaming radio from shoutcast or Sirius, and you can see where this is going. A 95 Gig cap is to small and if you THINK that is heavy users then maybe you need to take a look at Comcast who is 250.
It's a money grab, plain and simple. It isn't hard to see it either.
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
| said by Fantasm :
By the way, I have an 8 megapixel camera. My friend has a 12megapixel. Bigger ones are on the way... I can easily take over 4 gigs of photos in a month. Now, do I send my pics to one relative and ask them to forward them because my ISP caps me, or do I send my pics to all my relatives at once...
100 pics x 8 megs x 20 relatives = 1.600 gigs
And don't tell me to reduce them to a smaller size, that's not why I got an 8 megapixel camera.
4 Gigs? I shoot almost twice that on every shoot I go on ! lol
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Woody79_00
join:2004-07-08
united state
| ahh another way to sqeeze every dime they can out of someone Anyone who supports a bandwidth cap garbage is nothing more than a coporate nazi!
look lets take comcast for example....at lets say 60 million subscribers...at 42 bucks per subscriber
that comes out to be:252,000000
now lets subtract 31% for taxes state and local
comes out to be 7,812,000,00 we will round it off and say 8 million even
now we will say paying their employess comprises 37%
that comes out to be 9, 324,000,000 we will just say an even 9 mill for sake of this argument
it cost them 16% for electic, bills for keeping up buildings, equipment, etc
comes out to be 4,320,00,00 we will just say 4 million for simplicity
they pay out around 21 million a month in average expendetures and taxes
they gross in a months time 231 million!
per month...and they claim they need a bandwidth cap!? are you crazy
i was very "generous" on the number of subscribers comcast has and the price plan they have..i said 42 bucks, its more like 53 or more
im sorry but im not even counting the ad revenue they make from such vendor
if you cna even justify a bandwidth cap and usage..then we might as well call this corporate bullying
the federal givenment gives them "millions and millions" of OUR hard earned tax dollars a year...and you would deal with a cap
we are being robbed in every way imaginable and people put up with it
American needs to wake up, if they starts this crap, customers should bail in drives..get 30 or 40 million people to drop their service, they will come around....and see things our way | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: ahh another way to sqeeze every dime they can out of someone You realize this article is about a CANADIAN company. Secondly which ISP has 60 million customers? at&t is #1 last time I checked and that have under 20 million.
also you math is WAY off. Stop trying.
Also you should be banned for calling people Nazis. I could be jewish and maybe I had family killed by REAL Nazis. And maybe I am offended by being lumped in with those people.
I don't think Comcast's proposed cap of 250 GB is worth bitching about. That's more than generous.n even this candian cap at 95 is a little smaller than I'd think would be best ther overages are capped at $25 so it's not like you're going to have a $300 internet bill.
So yes TW cap is stupidly small. Yes overage fees of $1 or more per GB are outrageous. Lowering SPEED would solve bandwidth issue for going over a cap would do better than charging extra. If I'm a millionaire do I care if I'm paying $1 per GB over? Hell no. | |
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
| Re: ahh another way to sqeeze every dime they can out of someone said by BF69 :You realize this article is about a CANADIAN company. Secondly which ISP has 60 million customers? at&t is #1 last time I checked and that have under 20 million. also you math is WAY off. Stop trying. Also you should be banned for calling people Nazis. I could be jewish and maybe I had family killed by REAL Nazis. And maybe I am offended by being lumped in with those people. I don't think Comcast's proposed cap of 250 GB is worth bitching about. That's more than generous.n even this candian cap at 95 is a little smaller than I'd think would be best ther overages are capped at $25 so it's not like you're going to have a $300 internet bill. So yes TW cap is stupidly small. Yes overage fees of $1 or more per GB are outrageous. Lowering SPEED would solve bandwidth issue for going over a cap would do better than charging extra. If I'm a millionaire do I care if I'm paying $1 per GB over? Hell no. OT but isn't banning someone for calling someone a Nazi in itself a nazi like action? Sorry, had to lol
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| strange_69
join:2001-08-07
Ridgecrest, CA
 ·Vonage
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Who decides what's reasonable? These caps are just as stupid as the baseline in your electric bill. If 1% of the users out there are using 20% of the bandwidth, why not use that as a way to tier your rates? Like if you are in the top 1% of the bandwidth users for that month you get charged and extra 50$ or something like that. Like it or not, with voip, internet TV and Movie services starting up on the internet people are going to reach those caps very quickly even using legitimate services. So let's see now, ISPs never deliver on their advertised speeds, they sell our private data without giving us a choice via the TOS, instead of keeping their infrastructure up to date they call us bandwidth hogs, they do everything in their power to get rid of competition so you have to except their POS TOS. I know that this is all just good business but come on. If this keeps up more and more people are going to call for them to get regulated. Their greed is going to mess up their good thing.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Who decides what's reasonable? said by strange_69 :These caps are just as stupid as the baseline in your electric bill. If 1% of the users out there are using 20% of the bandwidth, why not use that as a way to tier your rates? TW is doing that supposedly. They claim only 1% of their users use more than 40 GB. | |
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join:2001-08-07
Ridgecrest, CA
·Vonage
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Who decides what's reasonable? Wow, you mean the other 99% are lamers that only check their E-mail. You can do that with dial up. It's time for ISPs to wake up and realize that people are actually going to use the internet. For $65/month I expect to have speeds close to advertised speeds and to be able to use my voip carrier and be able to watch movies on netflix. Also, there are a whole bunch of neat things out there that are going to need more bandwidth in the future. It would hurt the economy to penalize bandwidth use. | |
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Poui
@rogers.com
| Fair Exchange of Value If Rogers is to bill for overages, should they not be held legally responsible for providing all the advertised/contracted basics of the service package/tier for which a customer has paid (bandwidth, speed, uptime,etc.)? Or thus this only work if Rogers delivers less than contracted yet charges more by fraudulent actions? | |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| pathetic. hah.
what a joke.
This is my typical usage for the last 2 months. as I pay for a 6MB service and expect to use it to its full potential.
April
Upload Download Hours Online Total 86.19 GB 560.64 GB 607 646.83 GB
May
Upload Download Hours Online Total Gig
27.43GB 108.84 GB 203 136.27 GB
Now this is why i couldnt even bother with rogers or bell.
Im not part of the lame facebook generation, and i will not pay for a cheap worthless ringtone on my phone i dont need. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: pathetic. said by DJMASACRE :hah. what a joke. This is my typical usage for the last 2 months. as I pay for a 6MB service and expect to use it to its full potential. April Upload Download Hours Online Total 86.19 GB 560.64 GB 607 646.83 GB May Upload Download Hours Online Total Gig 27.43GB 108.84 GB 203 136.27 GB Now this is why i couldnt even bother with rogers or bell. Im not part of the lame facebook generation, and i will not pay for a cheap worthless ringtone on my phone i dont need. What were you doing LEGALY that also doesn't require a business account that you used over 600 GB in a month. I'm curious. | |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| Re: pathetic. said by BF69 :said by DJMASACRE :hah. what a joke. This is my typical usage for the last 2 months. as I pay for a 6MB service and expect to use it to its full potential. April Upload Download Hours Online Total 86.19 GB 560.64 GB 607 646.83 GB May Upload Download Hours Online Total Gig 27.43GB 108.84 GB 203 136.27 GB Now this is why i couldnt even bother with rogers or bell. Im not part of the lame facebook generation, and i will not pay for a cheap worthless ringtone on my phone i dont need. What were you doing LEGALY that also doesn't require a business account that you used over 600 GB in a month. I'm curious. See, this is when people start to cut into the fact that, we pay for bandwidth, so it should not matter what its used for either way .. maybe i like to download ubuntu iso's 24/7 just for fun ... perfectly legal ... pointless ? maybe ..
so it makes no difference.
maybe i share a house with 6 people connected wireless... we all accumulate to 600gb a month .
either way this has no meaning to why i cant download as a i please to my full bandwidth 24/7, as my package i sign up for describes.
period =) | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: pathetic. said by DJMASACRE :said by BF69 :said by DJMASACRE :hah. what a joke. This is my typical usage for the last 2 months. as I pay for a 6MB service and expect to use it to its full potential. April Upload Download Hours Online Total 86.19 GB 560.64 GB 607 646.83 GB May Upload Download Hours Online Total Gig 27.43GB 108.84 GB 203 136.27 GB Now this is why i couldnt even bother with rogers or bell. Im not part of the lame facebook generation, and i will not pay for a cheap worthless ringtone on my phone i dont need. What were you doing LEGALY that also doesn't require a business account that you used over 600 GB in a month. I'm curious. See, this is when people start to cut into the fact that, we pay for bandwidth, so it should not matter what its used for either way .. maybe i like to download ubuntu iso's 24/7 just for fun ... perfectly legal ... pointless ? maybe .. so it makes no difference. maybe i share a house with 6 people connected wireless... we all accumulate to 600gb a month . either way this has no meaning to why i cant download as a i please to my full bandwidth 24/7, as my package i sign up for describes. period =) Then get 6 accounts | |
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
| 18 Meg and 95 GIG... I am getting sick of these damn companies today stickin' it to the consumer., How's it feel to be going into reverse everyone! The more companies that do this, the more consumers are getting bent over. This stuff does nothing but stifle innovation and make these companies a lotta extra cash. As if we aren't hurting enuff these days as it is.....95 Gig cap on a 18 Mbit line is not only sad...it's almost comical. Why have such high speeds if you are going to just cap it so low?? Oh ya, money once again....
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| Ulmo
join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
 ·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
| At least $1.25/GB is not too horrible, but that will change. At least $1.25/GB is not too horrible, but that will change. The price per data transfer amount will have to go down, not up. Also, the content providers will have to charge less for their content, i.e., this will force us to find content that charges less per amount of quality and quantity, and legitimize that even more. | |
| | karotech
join:2008-01-22
Fresno, CA
| Re: At least $1.25/GB is not too horrible, but that will change. The bottom line here is that the Cable companies are horrified that people is going to start watching TV on the internet, and they will loose the TV subscription money. Capping bandwidth is their way to prevent people from doing that...
The way I see it, this is fine in areas where there isn't a monopoly by one company. If they all do it then we're pretty much screwed. | |
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Flamesblow
@transcanada.com | I have already ordered my new ISP package I gave my notice to Robbers already. I am moving my phone and internet and cell service. | |
| ltjordan
join:2001-12-02
Hyattsville, MD | Re: Tiers. The Ultra Lite tier is an ultra joke. I hope they're not charging more than $10.00/month. | |
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