Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
|  He drank the Kool-Aid
"The congressional policy and agency practice of relying on the marketplace instead of regulation to maximize consumer welfare has been proven by experience (including the Comcast customer experience) to be enormously successful," Cohen says.
Is he serious? We're rapidly falling behind the world in speed, yet rapidly overtaking all comers for the prices we pay, yet the experience has been enormously successful? He must mean it's been an enormously successful way to screw consumers and pad his bank account. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| As far as padding his bank account; you'll say what ever your employer wants you to say as well as long as you get that pay check; just like everyone one else. I'm sure he doesn't want to lose his job or even his nice fancy million dollar home. and you wouldn't prolly wanna lose those either. |
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
| It Doesn't Matter Anymore
Being a consumer is a thing of the past. The Gov't, The Corporation(s), The Lobbyist's all know what is better for us, and all know what we want and don't.
Comcast throttles, TimeWarner Talks about Caps - Canadians get caps with injected crap. While the rest of the world is getting bigger speeds, more services, and just raking in the cash.
MSOs-Telco's in the USA are nothing more than a car dealer, who wants to sell you a broken down yugo, for a lexus price. |
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bamabrad
join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL | It's all about capitalism-not government regulation-
We need to make it easier for competition-give the consumer a fair choice and let the market decide-Name ONE THING that the government runs or controls as well as a responsible corporation. |
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xelnix
join:2006-10-03
Kissimmee, FL
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: He drank the Kool-Aid
said by hottboiinnc  : you'll say what ever your employer wants you to say as well as long as you get that pay check; just like everyone one else. I don't know about you, but my integrity isn't for sale at any price. I guess some people love money too much. Although, that seems to be the norm for business in America. Say whatever it takes to get the all mighty dollar. |
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Scarrier
join:2007-03-11
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Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation-
said by bamabrad :Name ONE THING that the government runs or controls as well as a responsible corporation. *crickets chirping*
said by bamabrad :We need to make it easier for competition-give the consumer a fair choice and let the market decide- I'd rather have more competition than the FCC regulating Comcast. I'm tired of getting less than half of my advertised speeds more than half of the time. If any other hi-speed ISP was offering something in my area, I'd switch without even thinking about it. |
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BillRoland
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join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| Both sides are always right
That's why we have judges and juries: both sides are always "right" and the other one is "wrong." Comcast says Free Press is wrong, Free Press says Comcast is wrong. Ultimately it will be decided by the legal system.
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"Don't steal. The government hates competition." |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | reply to xelnix
Re: He drank the Kool-Aid
I'm convinced that theirs isn't either -- it just has a different definition. In their world, plausible deniability not only masks a sin, it wipes it away. |
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funchords
Hello
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Skype
3 edits | reply to Scarrier
Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation-
The government runs Interstate 5 better than a private corporation could.
I think that the government can run a broadband system better than a private corporation could. What it can't do is provide the add-on services most want from an ISP -- email, web space, and what have you. But as far as shipping the bits in an unbiased way, that's a perfect job for the government.
Can you imagine if AT&Timecastzon ran the post office? What would the mail system look like then?
The line coming to your house is a similar metaphor to the road or the sidewalk or the radio spectrum that comes to your house. On those common areas, the government can open markets to competition and simply back out of the way (except to resolve disputes). That is what it does, and it does so pretty well.
Where we see disaster is where government steps in where private business (or even private charity) ought to serve and vice versa. But there are appropriate roles for government.
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Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon
HTTP is the new Bandwidth Hog...
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WiseOldNerd
De gustibus non est disputandum
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Phoenix, AZ
·Cox HSI
·Qwest.net
·Charter Pipeline
| Free Markets Do Not Exist
There is no such thing as a free market. Whether it is regulation or economics there is always a constraining influence when someone tries to sell something to somebody else. Anyone who pushes the concept of the "free market" regulating or influencing the consumers ability to purchase is blowing smoke. Even the kid selling lemonade is regulated in some fashion. What we really should be seeking is a balance between government and business that actually, really, truly, for sure provides the individual consumer with the greatest number of choices at the lowest possible price. 
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My perception is REALITY |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to bamabrad
Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation-
said by bamabrad :We need to make it easier for competition-give the consumer a fair choice and let the market decide-Name ONE THING that the government runs or controls as well as a responsible corporation.
What's a "responsible corporation"? The only thing corporations are responsible for is making money for their shareholders. An unlimited amount of harm to customers, third parties, future generations, the natural environment, and the public interest is utterly irrelevant to them as long as they can avoid liability for it.
And where is this "fair choice" you speak of? Obviously it will take a lot more regulation than we have now to create competition in the local markets for broadband, sufficient to assure low prices, investment in more capacity, and fair terms of service. |
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FAQFixer
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join:2004-06-28
Powder Springs, GA
| reply to funchords
said by funchords : Can you imagine if AT&Timecastzon ran the post office? What would the mail system look like then? So you are saying the Post Office is run much more efficiently than private delivery companies such as UPS/FedEx/DHS?
said by funchords :The government runs Interstate 5 better than a private corporation could. I think that the government can run a broadband system better than a private corporation could. Where we see disaster is where government steps in where private business (or even private charity) ought to serve and vice versa. But there are appropriate roles for government. Wow, Comrade...at least the trains would run on time! |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| The trains on time? Do you have any experience at all with our public transportation system? Perhaps I'm colored by experience with the MBTA- the best part is you can use it to criticize both public and private systems, as the subway and bus system is 100% MBTA-run, while the commuter rail is ran by a private contractor, and both are always late! |
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Arragnod
@comcast.net
| reply to funchords
Are you crazy? Lets talk about the national debt... or hey Social security... wait what about FEMAs response to hurricane Katrina.. that was some seriously awesome customer service. Oh and when are we going to be out of Iraq exactly?
If you think that "the line that runs into your house" is as simple to connect to the internet as connecting two roads with some asphalt, you got another thing coming. There's a reason you see Comcast & Verizon trucks everywhere....
So I guess according to you, "the government" could replace all ISPs, all BGP ASNs, and all edge technologies rolled up into one... while your at it go ahead and roll me one too... |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| reply to swhx7
Or just a government grant to any person or group of people that can prove that they could run an ISP responsibly.
The major barrier to entry in the ISP market is equipment cost. If you can afford that, and actually deliver speeds, you'll have so many people wanting to switch to you you could basically just hire a bunch of guys to lay lines and sit back and watch the cash roll in. |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| reply to WiseOldNerd
Re: Free Markets Do Not Exist
said by WiseOldNerd :What we really should be seeking is a balance between government and business that actually, really, truly, for sure provides the individual consumer with the greatest number of choices at the lowest possible price. But then the corporation's CEOs won't be able to swim in an Olympic-size pool filled with $100 bills! |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
·voip.ms
·Vitelity VOIP
·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
·Embarq
| reply to funchords
Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation-
said by funchords :Can you imagine if AT&Timecastzon ran the post office? What would the mail system look like then? Flat-rate postage, but heavy packages would be tossed aside as they would not be cost-effective to transport.
There would be talk of converting to pricing postage by weight, but lawsuits would be filed because that would deter people from mailing encyclopedias to their grandma, which afterall is a perfectly legal use of the postage system. |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| reply to Matt
Re: He drank the Kool-Aid
said by Matt :"The congressional policy and agency practice of relying on the marketplace instead of regulation to maximize consumer welfare has been proven by experience (including the Comcast customer experience) to be enormously successful," Cohen says.Is he serious? We're rapidly falling behind the world in speed, yet rapidly overtaking all comers for the prices we pay, yet the experience has been enormously successful? He must mean it's been an enormously successful way to screw consumers and pad his bank account. There's this old addage, I don't have to run faster than the dog, just faster than you. As long as there is ATT around Comcast has no worries about being the slowest on the block  |
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lvlorpheus
join:2008-02-17
Eureka Springs, AR
| reply to lordofwhee
Re: Free Markets Do Not Exist
The pay rate difference between the American CEO's and and American WORKERS is so far out of wack. Here are a few links for consideration.
»projects.washingtonpost.com/post···nsation/
»projects.washingtonpost.com/post···nsation/
Look at how many times you see "Sprint Nextel Corp." on these list. Kind of makes me wonder if half of that money were put back into the company instead of few guys pockets if the shareholder might not of done a little better as well as the customers. Thats a combined $143,853,350 "Sprint Nextel Corp." paid out to FIVE men in Total Compensation for 2006. If that figure were dived in half that leaves $71,926,675. If that were dived over the 80,000 employees at "Sprint Nextel Corp." that would of given every employ an additional $899.08 for their 2006 salary. That would of left the lowest paid of these FIVE guys at "Sprint Nextel Corp." making a minuscule $2,768,157. |
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NoFreeRide
@comcast.net
| hm
When people start sending FOR PAY real time video over "the internet" it no longer is "the internet" being provided.
IPV4 is a joke now, and untill IPv6 replaces it, Company's and the FCC and the Public will have to live with hacks to make it work. |
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