  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 |  He drank the Kool-Aid
Is he serious? We're rapidly falling behind the world in speed, yet rapidly overtaking all comers for the prices we pay, yet the experience has been enormously successful? He must mean it's been an enormously successful way to screw consumers and pad his bank account. | |
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| Re: He drank the Kool-Aid As far as padding his bank account; you'll say what ever your employer wants you to say as well as long as you get that pay check; just like everyone one else. I'm sure he doesn't want to lose his job or even his nice fancy million dollar home. and you wouldn't prolly wanna lose those either. | |
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Kissimmee, FL | Re: He drank the Kool-Aid said by hottboiinnc: you'll say what ever your employer wants you to say as well as long as you get that pay check; just like everyone one else. I don't know about you, but my integrity isn't for sale at any price. I guess some people love money too much. Although, that seems to be the norm for business in America. Say whatever it takes to get the all mighty dollar. | |
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| | |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Re: He drank the Kool-Aid I'm convinced that theirs isn't either -- it just has a different definition. In their world, plausible deniability not only masks a sin, it wipes it away. | |
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| | | said by Matt:"The congressional policy and agency practice of relying on the marketplace instead of regulation to maximize consumer welfare has been proven by experience (including the Comcast customer experience) to be enormously successful," Cohen says.Is he serious? We're rapidly falling behind the world in speed, yet rapidly overtaking all comers for the prices we pay, yet the experience has been enormously successful? He must mean it's been an enormously successful way to screw consumers and pad his bank account. There's this old addage, I don't have to run faster than the dog, just faster than you. As long as there is ATT around Comcast has no worries about being the slowest on the block  | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Actually, he helps make the Kool-Aid. Then convinces regulators, the press, and the public to suck it down. | |
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 RallyBah HumbugPremium
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
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| It Doesn't Matter Anymore Being a consumer is a thing of the past. The Gov't, The Corporation(s), The Lobbyist's all know what is better for us, and all know what we want and don't.
Comcast throttles, TimeWarner Talks about Caps - Canadians get caps with injected crap. While the rest of the world is getting bigger speeds, more services, and just raking in the cash.
MSOs-Telco's in the USA are nothing more than a car dealer, who wants to sell you a broken down yugo, for a lexus price. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: It Doesn't Matter Anymore said by Rally:MSOs-Telco's in the USA are nothing more than a car dealer, who wants to sell you a broken down yugo, for a lexus price. Couldn't have said it better myself.
While we get crappy caps, throttled p2p and mailboxes full of spam for ~$60, other places in the world getting 100000/100000 for equivelant of $14/month.
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| | | Not only are the Canadian isp's setting a bad example for the rest of the world they're on a one-way street with a brick wall at the end. | |
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| | It's all about capitalism-not government regulation- We need to make it easier for competition-give the consumer a fair choice and let the market decide-Name ONE THING that the government runs or controls as well as a responsible corporation. | |
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| | | Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation- said by bamabrad:Name ONE THING that the government runs or controls as well as a responsible corporation. *crickets chirping*
said by bamabrad:We need to make it easier for competition-give the consumer a fair choice and let the market decide- I'd rather have more competition than the FCC regulating Comcast. I'm tired of getting less than half of my advertised speeds more than half of the time. If any other hi-speed ISP was offering something in my area, I'd switch without even thinking about it. | |
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| | funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5
3 edits | Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation- The government runs Interstate 5 better than a private corporation could.
I think that the government can run a broadband system better than a private corporation could. What it can't do is provide the add-on services most want from an ISP -- email, web space, and what have you. But as far as shipping the bits in an unbiased way, that's a perfect job for the government.
Can you imagine if AT&Timecastzon ran the post office? What would the mail system look like then?
The line coming to your house is a similar metaphor to the road or the sidewalk or the radio spectrum that comes to your house. On those common areas, the government can open markets to competition and simply back out of the way (except to resolve disputes). That is what it does, and it does so pretty well.
Where we see disaster is where government steps in where private business (or even private charity) ought to serve and vice versa. But there are appropriate roles for government.
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Powder Springs, GA
kudos:1 | Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation- said by funchords: Can you imagine if AT&Timecastzon ran the post office? What would the mail system look like then? So you are saying the Post Office is run much more efficiently than private delivery companies such as UPS/FedEx/DHS?
said by funchords:The government runs Interstate 5 better than a private corporation could. I think that the government can run a broadband system better than a private corporation could. Where we see disaster is where government steps in where private business (or even private charity) ought to serve and vice versa. But there are appropriate roles for government. Wow, Comrade...at least the trains would run on time! | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation- The trains on time? Do you have any experience at all with our public transportation system? Perhaps I'm colored by experience with the MBTA- the best part is you can use it to criticize both public and private systems, as the subway and bus system is 100% MBTA-run, while the commuter rail is ran by a private contractor, and both are always late! | |
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| | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Amtrak is an EXCEPTIONAL example of the government running a train system well. | |
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| | | | funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by FAQFixer:said by funchords: Can you imagine if AT&Timecastzon ran the post office? What would the mail system look like then? So you are saying the Post Office is run much more efficiently than private delivery companies such as UPS/FedEx/DHS? No, I'm asking if you can imagine what the mail system would look like if AT&Timecastzon ran it. Do you not understand English?
Neither UPS/FedEx/DHS will deliver anything anywhere for less than a dollar, but I think the USPS is also a legal monopoly where competitive behavior against it is prohibited.
But back to my question -- would we have to pay to receive mail? Would we have to pay to receive more mail? If we got our newspaper in the mail, would our services be "bundled?" Would they read our correspondence to tell advertisers what things we were interested in?
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| | |  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
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| said by funchords:Can you imagine if AT&Timecastzon ran the post office? What would the mail system look like then? Flat-rate postage, but heavy packages would be tossed aside as they would not be cost-effective to transport.
There would be talk of converting to pricing postage by weight, but lawsuits would be filed because that would deter people from mailing encyclopedias to their grandma, which afterall is a perfectly legal use of the postage system. | |
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| | | | | Are you crazy? Lets talk about the national debt... or hey Social security... wait what about FEMAs response to hurricane Katrina.. that was some seriously awesome customer service. Oh and when are we going to be out of Iraq exactly?
If you think that "the line that runs into your house" is as simple to connect to the internet as connecting two roads with some asphalt, you got another thing coming. There's a reason you see Comcast & Verizon trucks everywhere....
So I guess according to you, "the government" could replace all ISPs, all BGP ASNs, and all edge technologies rolled up into one... while your at it go ahead and roll me one too... | |
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join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation- said by Arragnod :
Are you crazy? Lets talk about the national debt... or hey Social security... wait what about FEMAs response to hurricane Katrina.. that was some seriously awesome customer service. Oh and when are we going to be out of Iraq exactly? What topic are you reading? Can you stick to the subject, please?
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If you think that "the line that runs into your house" is as simple to connect to the internet as connecting two roads with some asphalt, you got another thing coming. There's a reason you see Comcast & Verizon trucks everywhere.... One might reason that you wouldn't see trucks everywhere if the system worked right. ((unfair giggle)) But I also see road re-construction, water and sewer work, sidewalk repairs all ongoing. So your point is, what? That a government can't be a common carrier? They can, and do -- very well.
said by Arragnod :
So I guess according to you, "the government" could replace all ISPs, all BGP ASNs, and all edge technologies rolled up into one... while your at it go ahead and roll me one too... Nobody wants to be in the last mile carriage business because it is a profitless money drain that everyone needs. That's almost the tell-tale sign of a decent project that's in the public interest.
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|  swhx7Premium
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Elbonia | said by bamabrad:We need to make it easier for competition-give the consumer a fair choice and let the market decide-Name ONE THING that the government runs or controls as well as a responsible corporation.
What's a "responsible corporation"? The only thing corporations are responsible for is making money for their shareholders. An unlimited amount of harm to customers, third parties, future generations, the natural environment, and the public interest is utterly irrelevant to them as long as they can avoid liability for it.
And where is this "fair choice" you speak of? Obviously it will take a lot more regulation than we have now to create competition in the local markets for broadband, sufficient to assure low prices, investment in more capacity, and fair terms of service. | |
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| | | | Re: It's all about capitalism-not government regulation- Or just a government grant to any person or group of people that can prove that they could run an ISP responsibly.
The major barrier to entry in the ISP market is equipment cost. If you can afford that, and actually deliver speeds, you'll have so many people wanting to switch to you you could basically just hire a bunch of guys to lay lines and sit back and watch the cash roll in. | |
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| said by bamabrad:a responsible corporation. And here in lies the problem. "Responsible Corporation." There's no requirement that they be responsible about anything, other then trying to maximize profits.... often very irresponsibly.
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| | | Re: Free Markets Do Not Exist said by WiseOldNerd:What we really should be seeking is a balance between government and business that actually, really, truly, for sure provides the individual consumer with the greatest number of choices at the lowest possible price.  But then the corporation's CEOs won't be able to swim in an Olympic-size pool filled with $100 bills! | |
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| | | | Re: Free Markets Do Not Exist The pay rate difference between the American CEO's and and American WORKERS is so far out of wack. Here are a few links for consideration.
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Look at how many times you see "Sprint Nextel Corp." on these list. Kind of makes me wonder if half of that money were put back into the company instead of few guys pockets if the shareholder might not of done a little better as well as the customers. Thats a combined $143,853,350 "Sprint Nextel Corp." paid out to FIVE men in Total Compensation for 2006. If that figure were dived in half that leaves $71,926,675. If that were dived over the 80,000 employees at "Sprint Nextel Corp." that would of given every employ an additional $899.08 for their 2006 salary. That would of left the lowest paid of these FIVE guys at "Sprint Nextel Corp." making a minuscule $2,768,157. | |
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| | hm When people start sending FOR PAY real time video over "the internet" it no longer is "the internet" being provided.
IPV4 is a joke now, and untill IPv6 replaces it, Company's and the FCC and the Public will have to live with hacks to make it work. | |
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