Chiyo
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| bah who needs a fair trial
hey who needs a fair trial I mean we always assume guilty before innocent why waste the people's and court's time 
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AnonProxy
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ß | Yeah fair trial, evidence, due process....
all mere technicalities. You should pay what we say you should pay.
F' the RIAA and the MPAA and their oddly Nazi like tactics.
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Austinloop
join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX | You maybe unfairly demeaning Nazis. This is RIAA and the MPAA we are talking about. |
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Anomaly95
join:2005-12-11
Phoenix, AZ | desperate much?
Wow. This just reeks of desperation for holding on to their current business model. |
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milnoc
join:2001-03-05
H3B | Conviction without proof?
Doesn't that go against the principles of Justice?
By any chance does this lawyer work at Guantanamo?  |
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Chiyo
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clubs: | I say we boycott the MPAA and their movies I personally haven't been to a movie in over 2 years and I don't ever download them. |
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Matt
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| said by Chiyo  :I say we boycott the MPAA and their movies I personally haven't been to a movie in over 2 years and I don't ever download them. You've missed some really good movies. Ouch. |
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dadkins
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| WTF are they smoking?
I say they have been ripping us all off and should pay all of us $250,000.00 - no evidence needed! 
See what they say to that...
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gatorkram
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| Tuff Call...
As much as I hate the RIAA/MPAA types, they sort of have a point in this case..
If I have bootleg cds or movies on sale, does someone have to buy them for it to be a crime to make them available for sale?
In much the same way, if you make files available to be taken and used, I think the crime is committed.
I don't really agree the crime should be on the person making the files available, it should be the people who take them who commit the crime.
What if I make copies of my own cds and dvds available in a shared folder on my pc, so that I can use them how and where I wish. One could argue they forgot they should have a password. Maybe this is the whole issue they are trying to avoid.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | reply to Chiyo
Re: bah who needs a fair trial
besides, laws are for the little people, not big corporations (eg, see Telecom Amnesty) |
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en102
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| reply to dadkins
Re: WTF are they smoking?
Right... the quality of movies (written / acted) has gone decreased exponentially with the advent of CGI based movies, where the special effects replace any decent acting/script with eye candy visuals.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | The MPAA is infringing on 1,000,000 of my works.
I'm entitled to a zillion dollars?
Proof? I don't need proof. |
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major marco
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Re: Tuff Call...
said by gatorkram :In much the same way, if you make files available to be taken and used, I think the crime is committed. I don't really agree the crime should be on the person making the files available, it should be the people who take them who commit the crime. Go work for the diaRIAA then. 
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Camelot One
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The courts have already ruled that just making the files available isn't enough. I see your argument, but that part isn't up for debate at this point. And it was the other courts ruling this way that prompted the judge to (possibly) grant a new trial.
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Nightfall
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| reply to Chiyo
Re: Conviction without proof?
said by Chiyo :I say we boycott the MPAA and their movies I personally haven't been to a movie in over 2 years and I don't ever download them. The unfortunate part is that people can't boycott correctly. A lot of people think that they can download and watch/listen freely. What you are doing is boycotting the right way. Don't download, don't watch, and don't participate in anything related to the MPAA. Then, they have no one to blame but themselves when they see their profits falling. |
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Nightfall
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| reply to gatorkram
Re: Tuff Call...
said by gatorkram :As much as I hate the RIAA/MPAA types, they sort of have a point in this case.. If I have bootleg cds or movies on sale, does someone have to buy them for it to be a crime to make them available for sale? In much the same way, if you make files available to be taken and used, I think the crime is committed. I don't really agree the crime should be on the person making the files available, it should be the people who take them who commit the crime. What if I make copies of my own cds and dvds available in a shared folder on my pc, so that I can use them how and where I wish. One could argue they forgot they should have a password. Maybe this is the whole issue they are trying to avoid. Its not that hard to go to the next step which is downloading the material and verifying it is copyrighted material. You can keep track of everyone who is sharing it very easily with any P2P application. Just take the time to grab it and verify then. Then you have a leg to stand on.
Don't get me wrong, I want to see anyone who infringes on copyright to get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, the RIAA and MPAA doing all this fasttracking of lawsuits is just a bunch of crap. If they were doing this the right way the whole time, people wouldn't be able to complain. |
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Austinloop
join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX
| reply to gatorkram
I realize that the burden of proof to prove someone "guilty" is much lower in a civil proceeding. However, there still must be some proof, not just you got it in a shared folder doesn't make you "guilty" of anything.
You are "guilty" of something if you knowingly download a known copyrighted work from the internet.
If I leave my door unlocked, does that mean that I committed a crime because someone may have access to my possessions, I don't think so. |
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TScheisskopf
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Re: desperate much?
And when you look at record sales, and the top-heavy structure of all the major labels, then look at the quality of music they release(Oh sure, good acts come along, but that's generally a bolt out of the blue and they are as surprised as you are when it happens), you begin to see that suing world+dog is pretty much the only viable business model they have left.
Trust me: If an act breaks big and sticks around past it's time of option, it is in spite of the system, not because of it. This is one of the reasons a lot of successful acts negotiate their own record labels. Just to put some distance between them and the incompetence and feral creatures at the majors.
It's a bitter pill for a veteran artist to be told what to do on the next album by some wunderkind fresh out of college radio. Especially when it is well-known that said wunderkind signed Joe Booger and His Rockin' Snotballs because they used to play his frat parties.
The last thing to remember is that signed acts become pawns in power-plays within record companies. Those that win in those power plays, well, their acts win as well. Those that lose, their acts are usually jettisoned. A lot of promising artists go away that way.
Put it all together and you really have to wonder is they really have a business model. If they do, it's gotta be "Sell records. Or something, like maybe go to lunch." |
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wifi4milez
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Re: WTF are they smoking?
said by en102 :Right... the quality of movies (written / acted) has gone decreased exponentially with the advent of CGI based movies, where the special effects replace any decent acting/script with eye candy visuals. So very true. I dont even consider GCI to be "eye candy" simply because it looks so fake. Part of what made older movies good was there was an actual human (a stunt double, but still a person) doing most things we saw on the screen. These days, "actors" do a 5 minute cut scene for the very beginning of the movie and then the next 2 hours is CGI garbage.
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