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H0H 0H0 | Bell Canada (Telco) make the same claim Bell are playing this trick, making customers believe they have FTTH when they are only getting ADSL2+ from a fibre fed remote. | |
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IT Consultant
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join:2007-01-19
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| Re: Bell Canada (Telco) make the same claim FTTN vs. FTTH
FTTH wins hands down for any network in comparison as long as it's maintained properly and not overloaded.
Verizon could do a "FAR" greater job then Bell Canada hands down and maybe someday Bell will learn from this and actually start deploying real FTTH service in urban centres. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | AT&T's sales people have tried the same thing with Uverse.
Telling me that its fibre optics. Sure.. up to ~3000' from the house, then its VDSL over the same lines as POTS/ADSL.
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join:2001-04-24
Port Chester, NY | Re: Bell Canada (Telco) make the same claim They can't fool me though. You may fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all the time. I have fios for close to 2 years now and i really like it. | |
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| Amen to that. I got a letter from Bell last week telling me all about their next-generation fibre network and why I should switch. Of course I knew there was no way they were doing real FTTH deployments, but I had to dig through their site to find out it was just ADSL2+.
The pricing is hilarious. $82.95 a month, with contract, for "up to 16mbps" and it's capped at 100gigs.
Boy howdy, how can I resist such a great offer? | |
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join:2003-08-16
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3 edits | Even better is the cablevision commercials .. They are the most misleading of them all. Verizon has a FIOS commercial about rocking cable for UPLOAD speeds.. then cablevison retaliates with the " Now Verizon is talking about their upload speeds.. not my cable .. our upload is 10times faster ... bla bla bla... " crap . He compares to Verizon HSI High speed internet !! Verizons fault by the way, renaming DSL to HSI.
Will we ever hear the word FIOS in a cable commercial?? I think not ! | |
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join:2002-04-05
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1 edit | invented Verizon needs to say they INVENTED fiber optics and used them decades before cable. Bell Labs and Ma Bell cough cough
Another good approach is that Verizon delivered the internet decades before the cable company. Dialup modem cough cough | |
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| Re: invented said by Hookem99  :said by patcat88 :Verizon needs to say they INVENTED fiber optics and used them decades before cable. Bell Labs and Ma Bell cough cough Yeah, Maybe Al Gore could be the spokesman. After all he DID invent the internet itself...right? Al Gore invented a lot more than the Internet. Gore also developed Instant Messenger, Video Conferencing, and the DVD optical disc that can hold 9.4 gigs. Gore also "discovered" Global Warming Theory and the Earth's eventual rotation to an opposite axis. Gore also claims to have "realized" the idea of the iPod. Gore claims, after a weekend at the bathhouse, he told Steve Jobs, "We should be able to put all my music on a 'pod' and take it everywhere." Gore also claims he invented the "hyperlink" but that has been disputed. Bill Clinton backs up Gore's 9.4 gig HD DVD saying, "We did that at McDonalds when I invented the Triple Cheeseburger." Gore also claims, in a previous life, that he created the mapping technique of the stars with some guy named Galileo. In a previous life, Gore was a Cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church and warned the "Inquisition" would bring shame and defeat to the Spanish Empire. His extensive religious writings were hidden in the Vatican and discovered by Martin Luther who used the documents to create the Lutheran Church.
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| Re: invented said by supergirl :said by Hookem99 :said by patcat88 :Verizon needs to say they INVENTED fiber optics and used them decades before cable. Bell Labs and Ma Bell cough cough Yeah, Maybe Al Gore could be the spokesman. After all he DID invent the internet itself...right? Al Gore invented a lot more than the Internet. Gore also developed Instant Messenger, Video Conferencing, and the DVD optical disc that can hold 9.4 gigs. Gore also "discovered" Global Warming Theory and the Earth's eventual rotation to an opposite axis. Gore also claims to have "realized" the idea of the iPod. Gore claims, after a weekend at the bathhouse, he told Steve Jobs, "We should be able to put all my music on a 'pod' and take it everywhere." Gore also claims he invented the "hyperlink" but that has been disputed. Bill Clinton backs up Gore's 9.4 gig HD DVD saying, "We did that at McDonalds when I invented the Triple Cheeseburger." Gore also claims, in a previous life, that he created the mapping technique of the stars with some guy named Galileo. In a previous life, Gore was a Cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church and warned the "Inquisition" would bring shame and defeat to the Spanish Empire. His extensive religious writings were hidden in the Vatican and discovered by Martin Luther who used the documents to create the Lutheran Church. You crack me up!
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| Re: invented said by Hookem99 :You crack me up! LOL!
I forgot about his "other" contributions:
Gore, in a previous life as a Buddhist Monk, invented what we now call toilet paper.
Gore, again in a previous life, was the ooze that formed the FIRST sign on human life. As an Egyptian Prince, Gore also wrote about the Big Bang, natural selection, and questioned the Godliness of cats. He came up with natural selection after watching the Egyptians kill Isrealites. As a seaman/navigator on the boat with Darwin, he claims to have given Darwin the idea of evolution (bast on past life experiences he couldn't explain). Gore, as he believes, is eternal and, in 1998, told his wife he never would be President since he had already been the master of the world once before as Xerxes. He said, "The cosmos has never forgiven me for killing the 300 Spartans." As Xerxes, he probably had his first "gay" experience.
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1 edit | Some say Fiber optics wasnt invented by us, rather DISCOVERED in Roswell, NM. in the 50' ?
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join:2002-04-05
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| Re: invented said by ITALIAN926 :Some say Fiber optics wasnt invented by us, rather DISCOVERED in Roswell, NM. in the 50' ? ha Yep, it was called "glass wire", now where is my optical transistor CPU so i can process 10 gigabit HD VOD stream my FTTH provider delivers to my house? I need my terrapixels. | |
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| Re: And This is Exactly Why I Read This Site said by SilverSurfer :Great article, Karl. Cutting through the BS spin so I don't have to. You must have an appetite for regurgitated rantings. Karl's "news" items read more like a 6 year old's temper tantrum.
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| Re: And This is Exactly Why I Read This Site said by BillRoland :You must have an appetite for regurgitated rantings. Karl's "news" items read more like a 6 year old's temper tantrum. That's your opinion. And like assholes, everyone has one. | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| said by BillRoland :You must have an appetite for regurgitated rantings. Karl's "news" items read more like a 6 year old's temper tantrum. if that's your opinion of Karl's news items, what the hell are you doing here - trolling? | |
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join:2001-02-16
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| Re: And This is Exactly Why I Read This Site said by nasadude :if that's your opinion of Karl's news items, what the hell are you doing here - trolling? You must remember that you're responding to a person who supported Fred Thompson for President. These days it's just not seen as proper to believe that others can be correct about anything when they don't hold the same political views as you. (Not that I have any clue what political affiliation Karl holds, only that he seems to be for better broadband, net neutrality, and against warrantless wiretapping, none of which are owned by any party)
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| bunch of liars I saw an ad that said the cable company (I forget if it was Timer Warner Cable or Cablevision) said they've been using fiber in their network for over a decade while Verizon has just recently started using it. If I were Verizon I would sue over this since they've been using going back way more than a decade. The fiber was simply used for a different purpose. So technically ever telco, MSO has had fiber in their network, and technically the telcos have had it in their network longer. | |
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Dragoonfly
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| Re: bunch of liars Here's a link to a brief history of fiber optics:
»www.fiber-optics.info/fiber-history.htm
But then see this chronology:
»www.sff.net/people/Jeff.Hecht/chron.html
The item about General Telephone and Electronics and Long Beach jibes with my recollection. GTE is one of the corporations that were joined together to form Verizon, of course. If the date is accurate (April 22, 1977), Verizon can claim to having pioneered fiber optics in the real world. That's 31 years ago, more than three decades. | |
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Norwalk, CA | Re: bunch of liars Excellent read, rcdailey.
Expanded my knowledge on the subject, and improved my understanding of OP's article.  | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | "Fiber Fast Internet" Is what our local TWC RR billboards say. | |
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insert annoying animated gif here
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Union, NJ | Re: "Fiber Fast Internet" Data is data, it really doesn't matter how you get it (as long as it is fast (high bandwidth) and quick (low latency)) | |
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maartena
Super Grover
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Orange, CA | Re: "Fiber Fast Internet" Exactly. And your "last YARD" is going to be copper CAT5 anyways, unless your PC has a fiberoptic card installed....;) | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Except it isn't "Fiber fast" given that RR doesn't have a 50Mb tier. | |
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join:2004-08-05
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| Re: "Fiber Fast Internet" said by Dogfather :Except it isn't "Fiber fast" given that RR doesn't have a 50Mb tier. There are devices that connect to fiber that only go 10mbit/sec max. And there are FIOS tiers that are 5mbit...
So what are you saying exactly?
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Re: "Fiber Fast Internet" "Fiber fast" means absolutely nothing. The word "Fiber" is not a substitute for Verizon's FIOS service.
Some AT&T areas have FTTH that currently maxes out at 6mbps.
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| what do you mean Verizon fios is no longer at 5Mb? mine is at 5Mb has been since 2005 when I got it. I just got an ad in the mail today for Verizon fios 5/2. It says "ultrafast internet connection speeds of up to 5/2Mbps" that is for the Verizon fios triple freedom package they are pushing for $109.99. I wish they would give me 10/2. I am now paying $42.99 starting last month, before that it had always been $39.95, price jumped but same speeds. | |
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My views are my own.
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| I could care less if it's fiber to the home or fiber/coax.. the bottom line is that Verizon isn't using it all they can. Instead, they install a service of "all fiber" and then not run what they really can with it.
They're not using it to it's full potential. They shouldn't be proud. | |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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1 edit | Why on Earth... shouldn't the cable co's be able to counter Verizon's ad's?
After all, they DO have more fiber than Verizon has..and will EVER have for that matter. And, they started the rollout TEN YEARS before Verizon ever apparently thought of the word...at a cost reportedly over FIVE times what Verizon will even spend when all is said and done. (100 Billion dollars)
But you think they shouldn't be able to talk about THAT?
If anything..they've been very silent about it in relation to what Verizon has been doing in trying to spout their next generation plans.
The fact of the matter is..the cable co's DO service every home with fiber optics..over a very effective network that produces speeds that the majority of Telco customers can only dream about today.
They don't need to go the last mile because their network isn't loaded with decades old twisted pair copper meant to deliver Aunt Bee's phone calls to Andy and Barney Fife.
Fiber..and a coaxial network..is a very effective next generation network. And combined with Docsis 3.0..will be able to compete with anything out there today..and in the future.
The cable co's don't have to pretend.
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join:2004-10-19
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| Not all untrue While it might be misleading, it is true. I have (cable) fiber running to my pole and then coax into the units. Nothing wrong with stating that. How about the other way around? Verizon has FTTH in many places, but still has legacy infrastructure back to the central office or other locations. This is what I heard was a major issue in their TV deployment. True or not, something else to consider. | |
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| Re: Not all untrue said by coolpfeif :While it might be misleading, it is true. I have (cable) fiber running to my pole and then coax into the units. Nothing wrong with stating that. How about the other way around? Verizon has FTTH in many places, but still has legacy infrastructure back to the central office or other locations. This is what I heard was a major issue in their TV deployment. True or not, something else to consider. I know for a fact that TWC has run fiber all the way to the end of my street, where it connects the 15+ houses on my street with copper. I'd say i am actually only about 100 feet away from their fiber line.... (and yes, my internet is great, my TV is great).
Quite frankly, who really cares HOW you get the data and video... as long as the quality is to your satisfaction. | |
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join:2004-10-19
Arlington, VA
| Re: Not all untrue Agreed - it is about the quaality of service. Regardless of how fast the connection is, you will be on the "shared" internet at some point. The main reason for FTTH would be to have fiber back to the infrastructre that has the video on demand or other services. If you head out to the internet, you will not be able to maintain the speeds anyway. right? | |
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join:2007-10-21
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| Re: Not all untrue I would really hope that your connection wouldn't SLOW when you hit a T2 network. That would be the exact opposite of what those networks are designed to do: provide massive amounts of bandwidth for inter-network communication.
And let's not even start on T3... | |
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IT Consultant
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join:2007-01-19
Thunder Bay, ON
| That's why it's called FTTN and that is it truly not FTTN.
Karl badly wrote the article and it is misleading to the nakid eye, however it is only the poster that is making it look misleading and not actually Verizon.
Verizon clearly states it is a FTTH service and cable/other phone companies are actually FTTN. | |
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Super Grover
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Orange, CA
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| Fiber is a buzz-word. Yes, the traditional POTS telephone lines are not capable of offering highspeed internet (and I am talking 50 Mbps in the entire city, not just those within 1000 feet), 4 HDTV streams, VOIP, and other services (alarm, etc) to your house without putting in proper fiber like Verizon is doing.
The reality is though that the same CAN be achieved with copper cables as well, they would just need to run a new cable that is NOT connected to the POTS system.
Example: A 45 Mbps DS3 line can be completely delivered to your building over copper, and is often cheaper then a DS3 over fiber.
As far as cable TV is concerned: I have 10 Mbps, 1 Mbps internet (soon to be upgraded to 15/2), and I have three TV's connected, of which 1 with a dual-tuner HDTV DVR. - AT&T's Uverse is BARELY able to bring that to the house, TWC has no problem with it if I were to add two more HDTV's and two more dual tuner HD-DVR's. Watching 3 HDTV programs, AND recording another 3 on the dual tuner, is not a problem.
Verizon FIOS can do that too, which is why telco companies NEED fiber to succeed, and I consider AT&T's UVerse a half-ass job.
I think Cable Companies though, can live on copper for another 10 to 15 years. They will eventually need to make the move to fiber also, but at this moment they don't need to do this yet.
Fiber is a buzz-word, and both Verizon and Cable companies are using it to market their products.... Verizon mentions "fiber to the home" in their commercials, TWC mentions "high speed fiberoptic network" in their commercials and even mocks Verizon with the fiber-man that shows up at the door....
But from a purely technical point of view, don't buy too much in the "fiber is absolutely needed" hype. Telco companies need it right now. Cable companies can easily get away with copper from your neighbourhood hub for quite a while longer.
And no matter how you look at it: The last 10 yards will always be copper, as your TV has no fiberoptic connection.
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| Re: Fake it, till you make it WTF's the point of in-house fiber? On short distances, gigabit ethernet and 802n WiFi are enough for today's and tomorrow's bandwidth. And you bring up a good point... if my DSL/cable connection can only serve up a meager 15-20 Mbits/sec, what's the point of in-home fiber? It's barely clogging my decade-old 100 Meg fast ethernet card, so I'm in no hurry to go fiber. Now, if we're talking 1 Gig symmetric speeds for $250/month, that MIGHT be incentive enough for me to get a couple of media converters and a spool of single-mode fiber, and get goin' on fiber. But until that happens, copper/MoCA is here to stay. | |
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| Funny Thing Is... ...in the end, both Cable and FiOS run on coaxial cable. It really boils down to where the transition takes place; for cable it is at the node and for FiOS it is in the user's home.
Still I agree that the cable companies are spraying a lot of FUD around with this one. Long term, FTTH is the way to go though you still have upgrade issues with either architecture. For cable, they have to upgrade their distribution network from the node to the home whereas Verizon would have to upgrade the fiber interface in the users home. I tend to give the edge to FiOS on this one because they do not have to rewire a neighborhood with newer coax in order to increase the available bandwidth. Worst case, Verizon has to replace customer equipment, redo some internal coax runs and upgrade the fiber node.
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| Throughput tells the story... Speed caps aren't the point... throughput is... what happens to a typical 1.0-2.0 docsis node during peak usage? The upload becomes saturated and FAP throttling takes affect on the upload & sometimes the download. As provisioned, FTTP (FIOS 1.0)does not suffer from this problem. Over-provisioning would create the same problem docsis nodes have... although to a lesser extent.
No amount of "We have fiber" will fix what you see when you press "download" or "upload" buttons. Cable companies can rightly criticize DSL because it is riddled with deployment & capacity issues, although the same can be said of docsis. FTTP delivers (for the most part) as promised in the local time zone and progressively degraded depending upon where on the internet you send/receive data (which just about all ISPs providing service w/o QOS agreements do).
Time Warner can not win this argument. They have an inferior residential internet product & they know it. Customers in competitive markets are long overdue for capacity upgrades. | |
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join:2007-11-05
Springfield, MA | As long as I get what I'm paying for. I really don't care how it's transported to my house, as long as I get what I'm paying for.
I bet outside BBR most people feel this way. The average person has no clue about FiOS, HFC, FTTx. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: As long as I get what I'm paying for. If people didn't care, then the cablecos wouldn't be advertising that they have so much fiber- I think the fact that they feel that they have to stress the fiber in the network is a clear success for Verizon's advertising department. | |
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Spokane, WA
| lol "Comcast is running ads in some papers claiming "we already have a fiber-optic network serving ALL our homes""
Newspaper ads? Heck they have a full-size billboard just across the street with that exact wording i think (tree in the way)
Cable trying to keep with Verizon advertising and the other telcos keeping up with the cable advertising 
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join:2004-06-08
| LOL @ Cable companies Every time I see their ads I always laugh. Especially the cablevision ads since I was on their service before FIOS was available in my area. Their ad always says "see now the telephone companies are talking about their upload speeds but don't be fooled." That always makes me LOL. Cablevision not only caps you but they cap you to ~150kbps upload speeds (just above DSL speeds ROFL) if you hit their unspoken amount of uploading time. You never hear that mentioned in their ads. They also don't tell you that the 150kbps upload speed cap is permanent unless you call and talk to a supervisor and then that person will talk to you for like 10-15 minutes preaching to you about how uploading is bad before they reset your connection back to what it is suppose to be. It's funny because a cablevision tech once told me just be sure not to upload too much in one 15 minute burst, break up your uploads to be 10 minutes each with at least a 10 minute break in between to reduce your chances of being recapped. I said f**k that, and the day FIOS arrived I called for an installation appointment.
FIOS just works as expected with no caps and no trouble. If you get it in your area go and switch you will be MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH happier than any cable company service. The only real downside of FIOS is the install, but it's a one time thing and well worth the trouble of never having to be capped again. | |
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join:2007-12-18
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| Re: LOL @ Cable companies said by LurkerLito :Cablevision not only caps you but they cap you to ~150kbps upload speeds (just above DSL speeds ROFL) if you hit their unspoken amount of uploading time. You never hear that mentioned in their ads. They also don't tell you that the 150kbps upload speed cap is permanent unless you call and talk to a supervisor and then that person will talk to you for like 10-15 minutes preaching to you about how uploading is bad before they reset your connection back to what it is suppose to be. It's funny because a cablevision tech once told me just be sure not to upload too much in one 15 minute burst, break up your uploads to be 10 minutes each with at least a 10 minute break in between to reduce your chances of being recapped. I said f**k that, and the day FIOS arrived I called for an installation appointment. You'd have a point except for that Optimum no longer caps upstream bandwidth (and if I recall, Boost customers get uncapped download, though it might just be during certain times, but that limits the customer only to DOCSIS' 38Mbps maximum download or somewhere around there). | |
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| Re: LOL @ Cable companies said by CopperMonkey :You'd have a point except for that Optimum no longer caps upstream bandwidth (and if I recall, Boost customers get uncapped download, though it might just be during certain times, but that limits the customer only to DOCSIS' 38Mbps maximum download or somewhere around there). So the service got worse? Now you have to pay an extra $15 a month for boost or you have capped downloads and only uncapped at certain times of the day even with the extra $15 per month? I am so glad I left. | |
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CMoore2004
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Jonesville, MI | Really? How many times can we write up a story about this? | |
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| said by CMoore2004 :How many times can we write up a story about this? until they stop miseading the public. Maybe it should be pointed out each time they mislead-after every commercial, ad, billboard, etc. | |
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Jonesville, MI | Re: Really? Good idea. Perhaps we should also have a news story every time AT&T claims they have the fewest dropped calls. | |
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join:2006-10-19
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| you guys do know its not the medium thats holding them back I thought the people here on dsl reports would know that its not the medium holding back the cable companies. Didnt verizon themselves do a test and show that coaxial cable can handle 270/270 speeds? (through the spec they use to connect there different equipment using the existing coaxial cable moca i think its called).
We should blame the docsis spec not the medium that the cable companies use. Narad before it died gave people 100/100 connections (limited testing on cablevisions network before its death) on coaxial cable.
Technically if it wasnt for cablevision and their boost service verizon wouldnt even have rolled out there faster speeds in the first place.
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join:2001-12-02
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| Re: Companies lying. Whatever works. All's fair in love and war. We all know that all companies lie and mislead consumers to sell their products. It's a fact of life. It's up to the consumer (those that care enough to do so) to separate the fact from the fiction by doing his or her own research. | |
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