adisor19
join:2004-10-11 |  CRTC has to take out the whip now
Bell messed up really bad on this one and now that the rabbit is out of the Bag, the CRTC needs to force the other black sheep to show their "congestion proof". I'm talking here about none other then Robers.
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EXPOSE THEM
@bell.ca | Exposed
Look like Belly was caught red handed.
Man i can't wait that my contract with sympatico is over at the end of the month. I feel absolutely dirty giving them any money right now. What a bunch of crooks |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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| A lot I bet
said by Karl Bode  :
It makes you wonder how many other claims of congestion armageddon could be laughed off in North America were we to see actual data.
A lot I bet.
While I am all for the ability of a company to protect their profit margins, I don't support doing it in an underhanded manner. Bell Canada is lying to everyone, including the government.
If the Canadians will lie, cheat and steal like this, imagine what is going on in country that produced the S&L Loan scandal, the Enron fiasco, the MCI Worldcom debacle, and the Rigas Family's greed. |
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Dogfather
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1 edit | And certainly BC isn't alone
There is nothing special about Bell Canada that wouldn't apply to other ISPs so when someone like AT&T starts boo-hooing about how their seeing a 60% increase in traffic (of course that is what happens when you have a major merger), and need to cap, you know it's bullshit. |
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Corydon
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Re: A lot I bet
So the next question is are Comcast, Cox and the other MSOs doing the same thing in order to kill video services delivered over the internet while they're in the cradle? They've got a lot more to lose if the internet becomes a mainstream vehicle for delivering video content after all.
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to adisor19
Re: CRTC has to take out the whip now
Why Rogers? Roger's for the most part does NOT wholesale their network to a 3rd party like Bell does.
So why would it make a difference to them? |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to Corydon
Re: A lot I bet
no its called excessive use of bandwidth  |
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pfak
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Re: CRTC has to take out the whip now
Rogers is required to wholesale their network to 3rd parties just like Bell or TELUS.
How else do we get scum like 3Web (or whatever it's called now?).
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nekkidtruth
You fail at life.
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join:2002-05-20
London, ON
| The funny part is....
There must be a lot of people around here who feel really stupid for sticking up for Bell.
Here is my favourite part...
I told you so! (Read: We told you so!)
The fact that anyone actually believed Bell (or any other ISP for that matter) would actually show congestion, boggles me. I get a really good laugh at how this has played out. Someone at Bell should be fired (or step down) as they just made the company look like idiotic (not hard to do anyway).
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Mike
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clubs:  | Yeah they should step down for making the company look bad.
Since you know, there are a lot of alternative ways to go. Right. Yeah. |
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espaeth
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| Assume those were packet loss numbers
Would anyone still be saying that 2-3% packet loss is acceptable?
By contrast, your average Internet backbone provider runs their network at less than 0.001% contention. Our acceptable level of packet loss on IP networks is exactly 0.0% -- anything more than that and interactive applications start becoming practically unusable.
Don't get me wrong, I'm less than enthused as the quality of the data that Bell has published, but there's a lot of bullshit coming from all sides. I especially like the crap being spewed about upgrading the DSLAMs to GigE access as being the cure-all. The numbers published by Bell indicate congestion is a path issue, not a point issue. If you upgrade all of your DSLAMs that data still needs to go somewhere.. that means upgrading the aggregation network, which in turn pushes upgrades to the core. This isn't a problem that you fix by taking dad's credit card to Radio Shack to buy a few parts. |
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XNemesis
join:2002-11-16
Kitchener, ON | But the question is, "With this proof now in the clear, will anything actually be done about this?" I wonder |
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peter_m
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1 edit | Throtteling to KEEP enough bandwidth, not reduce congestion
They are throttling not only to leave room for their own Video Store but they might eventually offer true TVoIP in HD. That is why they installed Fiber to the curb (to my area at least). This was mentioned to me by a Bell tech. |
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TI POIL
join:2006-03-05
Toronto, ON | reply to XNemesis
Re: Assume those were packet loss numbers
LOL nothing, it's Canada... we bend over and take it. |
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Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
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Re: Throtteling to KEEP enough bandwidth, not reduce congestion
Thing is, P2P's relative usage is shrinking. Right now, it makes up about 50% of all traffic (down from 60% a while back). As streaming video grows far faster, P2P's share of the bandwidth pie is shrinking rapidly. By 2012, streaming video such as YouTube will make up 50% of net traffic (I believe that was in the Ars article), making P2P less important. |
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bgw
join:2008-06-28
North York, ON
| The Truth Comes Out!
I hope the CRTC acts responsibly in this case.
Next time it wont be a protest on Parliament Hill but a Government out on its ass!
Between the new Copyright act, Bell's Throttling this Government is out and out encouraging me to assist the opposition during the next election! |
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dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| The real laugh
If Bell's upstream DSLAM links are too slow, the whole problem could be fixed quite cheaply by upgrading the networking board in the back of DSLAM to gigabit Ethernet. For a company already publicly pledging to spend $500 million in capital upgrades this year, such a fix would be pocket change. This is the truely funny part, because whoever wrote it is completely clueless. He honestly thinks it's just a matter of slapping a GigE card in a DSLAM and all problems are solved? Such ignorance can only come from someone who hasn't the slightest idea what they're talking about.
That's like suggesting that by putting high speed tires on your car, you'll go faster. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by dynodb :If Bell's upstream DSLAM links are too slow, the whole problem could be fixed quite cheaply by upgrading the networking board in the back of DSLAM to gigabit Ethernet. For a company already publicly pledging to spend $500 million in capital upgrades this year, such a fix would be pocket change. This is the truely funny part, because whoever wrote it is completely clueless. He honestly thinks it's just a matter of slapping a GigE card in a DSLAM and all problems are solved? Such ignorance can only come from someone who hasn't the slightest idea what they're talking about. That's like suggesting that by putting high speed tires on your car, you'll go faster. No, it is that simple. If your not following a capital upgrade plan, then your to blame. |
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
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1 edit | We all know why they did this...
Bell did it because they offer a DSL product that's inferior to their competition, and people knew it.
So, they tried to force lower the competition's product to match THEIR crappy one.....
Unfortunately for them, they got caught-and their excuse has so many holes in it that if it was a water bucket, it wouldn't hold a drop of water.
I hope the lawsuit that their competition will now file against them costs Bell MANY MILLION$ of dollars! |
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Froggy
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| Most of the packet loss is caused by their throttle boxes
For all the people who aren't up-to-date of this one. Most of the packet loss is caused by their throttle boxes. There was virtually none before they used the throttle boxes. On another note the BCE deal is dead and buried. Market action would portend the end of the Bell deal by the end of this year. |
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