DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
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join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC | Opt-out? Why isn't this an Opt-in?
Because no one would. |
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kfsutops
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join:2002-08-19
Brandon, FL
clubs:  | IP-based opt-out system
How does this help when IP addresses change all the time??? |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
 ·Cox HSI
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Cox VOIP
·ViaTalk
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·Time Warner VOIP
| Translation?
said by Dykes :
"It's clear we need further education in Washington and elsewhere to address the concerns of privacy advocates,"
Translation: We need to throw some money around to bribe these whores into changing the laws so they work to our advantage. |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to DataDoc
Re: Opt-out? Why isn't this an Opt-in?
I would...
...for a cut of the revenues. |
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DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC | Never happen, you're only the producer of the data and don't get a cut. |
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CybermatriX
join:2008-06-13
North Hollywood, CA | reply to kfsutops
Re: IP-based opt-out system
IP-based opt-out would only work if the person has a static IP address. It should be ISP account based that way every computer that connects through ones network wouldn't get the ad's and such. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to Dogfather
Re: Translation?
LOL... should be interesting to see the next spin on this one!
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to DataDoc
Re: Opt-out? Why isn't this an Opt-in?
Your cut would be one of the following:
1. We'd bump you up to a higher tier
or
2. We'd reduce the monthly cost by $1-2/month.
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Stop Advertising at me!
"It's clear we need further education in Washington and elsewhere to address the concerns of privacy advocates," Dykes said. The message that the technology protects privacy "hasn't been understood by everyone."
Educate = bribe, coerce, hit over head with frozen muckluck, browbeat, etc etc until they get their own way!
Why don't they get it ... people just don't want to be bombarded with ads in every aspect of their lives. TV, radio, billboards, junk paper mail, telemarketing, spam, and now targeted ads in websites! Yes, privacy is an issue, but so is the constant bombardment by advertising. |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Dogfather
Re: Translation?
said by article author and Dykes :
The message that the technology protects privacy "hasn't been understood by everyone."
They didn't understand that snarfing up the entire data stream of all the ISP's internet users and data-mining it for profit "protects privacy"??? Egads! Next they'll be failing to understand that the sky is green, water is dry and scummy spyware vendors are fluffy kittens! |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to sbrook
Re: Stop Advertising at me!
said by sbrook  :Why don't they get it ... people just don't want to be bombarded with ads in every aspect of their lives. TV, radio, billboards, junk paper mail, telemarketing, spam, and now targeted ads in websites! Yes, privacy is an issue, but so is the constant bombardment by advertising. The price you pay for much of the internet(access & content) is what it is because of advertising. Without advertising the price would be MUCH, MUCH higher. In fact most off the content available wouldn't be there at all without it. So, guess what, advertising isn't going away no matter how much you dislike it. Of course, you can use ad block software, but if a majority of users follow suit, then the advertisers will find another way to get out their message. Like embedding the ads IN THE CONTENT and not just framed around it.
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Jamalystic
@etransnational.com
1 edit | The Consumer should Have More Say!!
We just can't trust the ISPs on this issue and i believe the only ideal solution is to have a new business model wherein the consumer owns the last mile and is free to connect to any service provider he or she wishes at a neighbourhood, carrier-neutral interconnect facility. Only then can we have geneuine internet transparency as this piece suggested: Improving Internet Transparency: »www.internetevolution.com/author···=154745& |
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scooper
join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC
1 edit | ABP
All hail Ad Block Plus and couple hundred K byte long hosts files so we can minimize "ads" intruding on our internet experiance... |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Stop Advertising at me!
Except for the fact that we're not talking about getting ads served to you by the sites you visit. In this case it's just another way for the telcos and cablecos to pad their bottom line. I have no problem with ads from the websites themselves. It's the only way they make their money. |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to DataDoc
Re: Opt-out? Why isn't this an Opt-in?
said by DataDoc :Because no one would. My thoughts exactly.
I should invent a product, I think I'll call it DAubeN, this wonderful product is meant to intercept the "data stream" before it reaches NebuAD and mine the data. Then it simply sends the remaining data to NebuAD as nothing more than links to google using search terms like "duh" and "OMG!".
I shall sell it for $1 million dollars (while holding my pinky finger).
Or I could just help to pollute all the data they could collect, see my sig below. 
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Click Here to pollute their data |
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Monster Rain
Premium
join:2002-08-03
USA
| reply to digitalfreak
Re: Stop Advertising at me!
said by digitalfreak :Except for the fact that we're not talking about getting ads served to you by the sites you visit. In this case it's just another way for the telcos and cablecos to pad their bottom line. I have no problem with ads from the websites themselves. It's the only way they make their money. Business's are in business to make money. So it's ok for a web site to serve ads but not ISP's? You either like ads or you don't in my book. I could care less where they come from personally. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| If the ISP wants to serve ads from the ISP's site, that's up to them.
The idea that content providers will provide ad space that they don't know what will actually appear in that space, to be determined by NebuAd and injected at the time of delivery is crappy.
Now granted similar does happen on TV, but at least it's only local ad substitution and the network advertiser is aware his ad will not appear in all markets. But at least they aren't injecting ads based on the programs you watch in any identifiable way (although I expect that will come in due course).
Where will the advertising greed stop? |
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jarthur31
join:2006-04-14
Carlsbad, NM | reply to en102
Re: Opt-out? Why isn't this an Opt-in?
I wouldn't mind unless they lower my HSI bill or at least double my upload speed; otherwise it won't be worth it to me. |
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DracoFelis
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join:2003-06-15
| This is about PRIVACY
This is lovely "SPIN", but IMHO it really is BS in the end.
The bottom line is that this technology (by its vary nature of being a gateway for the ISPs trucks) depends upon INVADING PRIVACY to work, and therefore (due to that invasion of privacy) deserves to be ILLEGAL (which in fact it might very well be, given existing wiretap laws, etc). Even if you "opt out", your privacy is apparently still invaded (you just don't get the "targeted ads", but it still appears as if you are watched).
The thing is, if this was just about the "targeted ads" it would still be slimy, but much less of a problem. As other have pointed out, "ad blocking software" can easily eat any undesired "targeted ads". But (and this is key), it's NOT all about the ads (that's just the semi-legit place companies like this make their money).
The true problem is the spying that is done (supposedly just to allow them to "target" the ads), and that means a massive invasion of privacy! And that invasion of privacy should be much more of a concern to people, than the minor annoyance of "targeted ads"...
Of course, as others have pointed out, a CEO with a lot of money might be able to successfully "lobby congress" to get the laws changed to what they desire, no matter how in the wrong their position is. And so there is still a real chance that this company could still get its wish. Of course, if things ran the way civics class says they should, IMHO the proper response for blatant abuse of privacy and existing laws should be criminal charges against company officials (assuming that they really have broken existing privacy/wiretap/etc laws as part of their "business plan"). But we all know that when money and politics are involved, what "should happen" and what "does happen" are not always the same thing. |
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HFB1217
The Wizard
Premium,ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-26
Camelot
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1 edit | TeleMarketing did NOT Die they have teched up and want you.
We have the Do not Call listings so they now have to find a new way to bugger us and line their pockets with green again.
This time they want to be ahead of the curve so the spin is on fast mode and the money is out for the taking to buy our uneducated and paranoid minds.
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