fatmanskinny
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1 edit | Tulsa?
I wonder why they are not hitting more major cities like Atlanta. Maybe the smaller cities are considered the "test" cities before they invest in bigger cities like Atlanta?? Who knows!
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benc
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| Who cares?
Well...
10M/1.5M is better than 6M/768M, but not by much.
They should simply forget about U-Verse, and just use FTTP.
If they did that I *might* be interested in using them for things other than phone, since of course for local service they're the only choice. |
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benc
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Glen Carbon, IL | reply to fatmanskinny
Re: Tulsa?
They covered most of the St. Louis area.
They also covered much if not all of Chicago.
Why not Atlanta? I don't know. |
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Nightfall
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Re: Who cares?
said by benc  :Well... 10M/1.5M is better than 6M/768M, but not by much. They should simply forget about U-Verse, and just use FTTP. If they did that I *might* be interested in using them for things other than phone, since of course for local service they're the only choice. Mainly because FTTP costs a lot more than U-verse. When you can terminate the fiber at one area and service thousands instead of terminating it at one home and making $100 a month (at best) for cable, phone, and internet, its a no brainer from a decision making process. This is why Verizon FIOS has really only been deployed in very nice neighborhoods.
FTTP will come down in price over time. |
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fatmanskinny
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Wandering | reply to benc
Re: Tulsa?
Ahhh, I stand corrected. |
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benc
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Re: Who cares?
said by Nightfall :Mainly because FTTP costs a lot more than U-verse. When you can terminate the fiber at one area and service thousands instead of terminating it at one home and making $100 a month (at best) for cable, phone, and internet, its a no brainer from a decision making process. This is why Verizon FIOS has really only been deployed in very nice neighborhoods. FTTP will come down in price over time. $100 for all that? How did you get that figure? Are you talking about profit, or just revenue?
If you mean just revenue then I don't see how you get $100. It's very easy to go over $100 with two services, or even just Internet. |
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flyingjoey
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Jersey City, NJ
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It's all about making the right investment. The initial investment is going to cost the most, but then you don't have to go back and redo it. If ATT wants to truely complete with FIOS in the future, it's going to have to go back and redo it's wiring... Now how smart is that... NOT VERY.
As a FIOS customer I can honestly say... the darned thing works, yes it took the tech 5 hours to run the wires and get everything where it needed to be... but once again, 7 months later... FIOS makes my old cable connection feel like Dial Up. |
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Nightfall
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said by benc :said by Nightfall :Mainly because FTTP costs a lot more than U-verse. When you can terminate the fiber at one area and service thousands instead of terminating it at one home and making $100 a month (at best) for cable, phone, and internet, its a no brainer from a decision making process. This is why Verizon FIOS has really only been deployed in very nice neighborhoods. FTTP will come down in price over time. $100 for all that? How did you get that figure? Are you talking about profit, or just revenue? If you mean just revenue then I don't see how you get $100. It's very easy to go over $100 with two services, or even just Internet. Just profit if they are lucky. Thats if the customer gets every service they provide. Most customers just get a couple services they need like TV and internet.
I should have clarified.  |
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Splork
join:2001-02-20
Austin, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to fatmanskinny
Re: Tulsa?
said by fatmanskinny :I wonder why they are not hitting more major cities like Atlanta. Maybe the smaller cities are considered the "test" cities before they invest in bigger cities like Atlanta?? Who knows! Uverse is live in parts of Atlanta. |
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Nightfall
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Re: Who cares?
said by flyingjoey :It's all about making the right investment. The initial investment is going to cost the most, but then you don't have to go back and redo it. If ATT wants to truely complete with FIOS in the future, it's going to have to go back and redo it's wiring... Now how smart is that... NOT VERY. As a FIOS customer I can honestly say... the darned thing works, yes it took the tech 5 hours to run the wires and get everything where it needed to be... but once again, 7 months later... FIOS makes my old cable connection feel like Dial Up. First, the right investment is not thousands of dollars on FIOS to people who can't afford it or don't want it. BBR members would die for a FIOS connection, but Verizon is only interested in deploying it for people who are going to be long term subscribers and for people who will get multiple services.
Most people these days are happy with a 1500/384 connection at home because its cheap. They browse the web a little, and check their mail and thats it. Which is why a lot of broadband providers are making smaller tiers to entice those people to get their service.
I am not debating that FIOS isn't awesome because it is. Any BBR member would love that service. It just won't be widespread anytime soon until the price of installation comes down. |
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en102
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Uverse is still too expensive...
for many.
Uverse Packages
$84 U200 = 1.5Mbps/1Mbps with --
Canada = Hollywood North |
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aaronwt
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Woodbridge, VA
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3 edits | reply to Nightfall
Re: Who cares?
said by Nightfall :said by benc :Well... 10M/1.5M is better than 6M/768M, but not by much. They should simply forget about U-Verse, and just use FTTP. If they did that I *might* be interested in using them for things other than phone, since of course for local service they're the only choice. Mainly because FTTP costs a lot more than U-verse. When you can terminate the fiber at one area and service thousands instead of terminating it at one home and making $100 a month (at best) for cable, phone, and internet, its a no brainer from a decision making process. This is why Verizon FIOS has really only been deployed in very nice neighborhoods. FTTP will come down in price over time. Not true in our area for FiOS. It's available to $700K homes and $150K homes, apartments and condos. They plan to wire our entire county within 4 to 5 years. |
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Nightfall
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| said by aaronwt :said by Nightfall :said by benc :Well... 10M/1.5M is better than 6M/768M, but not by much. They should simply forget about U-Verse, and just use FTTP. If they did that I *might* be interested in using them for things other than phone, since of course for local service they're the only choice. Mainly because FTTP costs a lot more than U-verse. When you can terminate the fiber at one area and service thousands instead of terminating it at one home and making $100 a month (at best) for cable, phone, and internet, its a no brainer from a decision making process. This is why Verizon FIOS has really only been deployed in very nice neighborhoods. FTTP will come down in price over time. Not true in our area for FiOS. It's available to $700K homes and $150K homes, apartments and condos. They plan to wire our entire county within 4 to 5 years. 4-5 years would be considered "over time". |
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iampedro
join:2005-02-12
Houston, TX | reply to en102
Re: Uverse is still too expensive...
I still can't get U-verse I live in the heart of down town houston... |
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realcableguy
join:2002-01-12
Olathe, KS
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Re: Tulsa?
said by fatmanskinny :I wonder why they are not hitting more major cities like Atlanta. Maybe the smaller cities are considered the "test" cities before they invest in bigger cities like Atlanta?? Who knows! AT&T U-verse Expands in Atlanta
Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:01am EDT
»www.reuters.com/article/pressRel···20080429 |
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KrK
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Atlanta is in former Bellsouth territory, so I'm sure they will get there, but they didn't have the headstart some of the former SBC areas did.
Plus Cox has really been taking a lot of phone business away from AT&T. I will consider U-Verse but only if the price is decent.
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jester121
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Re: Who cares?
said by Nightfall :Just profit if they are lucky. Thats if the customer gets every service they provide. Most customers just get a couple services they need like TV and internet. You're dreaming. The most expensive Uverse I could come up with (8 receivers, HD, U400, Max internet) is about $200/month. Add $15 for Playboy channel if you really want it all.
$100/month profit = 50% gross margin, and that ain't happening. |
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Nightfall
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| said by jester121 :said by Nightfall :Just profit if they are lucky. Thats if the customer gets every service they provide. Most customers just get a couple services they need like TV and internet. You're dreaming. The most expensive Uverse I could come up with (8 receivers, HD, U400, Max internet) is about $200/month. Add $15 for Playboy channel if you really want it all. $100/month profit = 50% gross margin, and that ain't happening. Please re-read what I was talking about. I was talking about FIOS profit, not Uverse. Secondly, I wad adding in every service FIOS has to offer. You are right though, even that may be a little high for even FIOS. |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | reply to en102
Re: Uverse is still too expensive...
Yep just checked some of the bundled options.
Slow internet, no HD, etc etc
You start adding the features you want (decent selection of channels, Faster Internet etc) and it becomes higher then Cox packages. |
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xenophon
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| Uverse in KC vs. TWC
Uverse is also in KC but not in my neighborhood yet, should be soon. I'm thinking about switching from TWC since you can record 4 channels at once but there are two things that can be done with TWC... add an external eSATA drive to cable box to extend DVR and ability to record over firewire to laptop. Can these be done with UVerse STBs? |
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