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I don't wanna have to keep annoying the crap out of WOW tech support and explain to them what Nebuad is, because none of them have a clue | |
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Geneva, IL | Opt-In, not Opt-Out I suppose the requiring users to Opt-IN would be unacceptable to the ISPs and NebuAd.
I would find this to be an acceptable option, but it would, no doubt, lessen the number of users impacted and therefore lessen the profits made by the ISP and NebuAd.
While I would find the Opt-IN to be OK, I'm sure that ISPs and NebuAd would not like this approach, and would do all in their power to fight this and keep it an Opt-OUT only system.
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Franklin, TN | Re: Opt-In, not Opt-Out said by BK3:I suppose the requiring users to Opt-IN would be unacceptable to the ISPs and NebuAd. I would find this to be an acceptable option, but it would, no doubt, lessen the number of users impacted and therefore lessen the profits made by the ISP and NebuAd. While I would find the Opt-IN to be OK, I'm sure that ISPs and NebuAd would not like this approach, and would do all in their power to fight this and keep it an Opt-OUT only system. I agree, an Opt-In would be like a van that drives through your neighborhood. You can go up to the guy in the van, sign a piece of paper, and they will start spying on your house afterward to see what eating and daily habits you have. Then sell this information to who ever will pay for it.
Yeah, how many people would sign up for that? That's about how I see NebuAD.
See my signature to start one way to neutralize this bad idea of a money making scheme.
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| | | | Re: Opt-In, not Opt-Out said by knightmb:I agree, an Opt-In would be like a van that drives through your neighborhood. You can go up to the guy in the van, sign a piece of paper, and they will start spying on your house afterward to see what eating and daily habits you have. Then sell this information to who ever will pay for it. Yeah, how many people would sign up for that? That's about how I see NebuAD. See my signature to start one way to neutralize this bad idea of a money making scheme. No one with a sane mind would sign up for the van example.
I have gotten similar mail, the company that sent the mail
wanted over 4 pages of personal info in exchange for some
saving program of unknown value. I guess they thought send enough mail out some sucker would respond with info the company wanted, but not me...
I have clicked that link, I hope they enjoyed the polluted data. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | said by BK3:I suppose the requiring users to Opt-IN would be unacceptable to the ISPs and NebuAd. Theres no $ $ $ in opt-in!
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Last month, the ranking members of the House Telecommunications Subcommittee, Edward Markey (D-MA) and Joe Barton (R-TX), sent a letter to Charter CEO Neil Smit asking him to suspend his company's NebuAD trials until the systems could be investigated.
You mean negotiating a price to buying a law in their (Charter et al + NebuAD's) favor.  | |
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|  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Congress doing it's job Something like that.
I wonder how much of a contribution their causes will receive.
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|  MikePremium,Mod
join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA | Congress is doing the best it can to fix this situation.
...of course that method is to remove wiretap and privacy restrictions. | |
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join:2006-07-23
Elbonia | Re: Congress doing it's job said by Mike:Congress is doing the best it can to fix this situation. ...of course that method is to remove wiretap and privacy restrictions.
Does it occur to anyone else that maybe these things are connected?
The philosophy of the right-wing party calls for privatizing whenever possible; and the executive branch now is pushing for comprehensive surveillance of citizens' communications. And about this time, private companies come along that propose to intercept and data-mine internet users' traffic. It would be easy enough for the companies to run filters for the feds as well as their own. Then they could make bigger profits and save the government some trouble. | |
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join:2001-02-14
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kudos:4 Reviews:
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| Re: Congress doing it's job said by swhx7:The philosophy of the right-wing party... The the power of the Congress is currently held by the left-wing party.
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Congress doing it's job Calling the democrats left wing is like calling the San Jose Sharks cup contenders. | |
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Elbonia | said by NormanS:The the power of the Congress is currently held by the left-wing party.
There is no left-wing party with any Congresspeople at all, or any significant number of elected officials anywhere in the USA. The Democrats are right-wing and the Republicans are fascist, by the standards of most of the rest of the developed countries.
I was referring to the philosophy of the Bushies, as they are behind the surveillance thing. Besides, the Dems are not exactly an opposing force, more like a compliant doormat. | |
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kudos:4 Reviews:
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| Re: Congress doing it's job said by swhx7:There is no left-wing party with any Congresspeople at all, or any significant number of elected officials anywhere in the USA. I have no idea why you think that. The two Democratic Senators from California are so far left they make the typical Communist look like a right-winger.
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| | | | | It's funny but Congress is controlled by Demos so you gotta wonder why nothing has been done to stop the wiretapping and they are also whoring themselves out to the corporations. Nothing will change if Obama becomes Prez.
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|  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
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kudos:5
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| Re: What Privacy! There is no difference in what the possible capabilities are. Any type of snooping/monitoring/etc are possible with POTS or internet traffic. And I don't think anyone is claiming that you do have absolute privacy anyways.
The point here is that an ISP would not only be snooping in things that they don't have a legitimate need to snoop on, and even more importantly, actively mining the snooped data traffic to profit from it. | |
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | Easy solution if NebuAD wants to defuse the PR nightmare, then they should stop doing what they're doing.
Fat chance of that.
Up yours NebuAD, flame on!  | |
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join:2006-07-23
Elbonia | Re: Easy solution Yes, Nebuad and similar spyware schemes deserve a "public relations nightmare" and much worse.
Unfortunately they still haven't got the message: The blurb from the press release still does not promise to let anyone opt out of the data-interception. The description is consistent with merely a non-cookie-based means of opting out of the ads, while one's data is still hijacked. | |
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| | GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | Re: Easy solution Exactly, and I happen to believe that the click data is generated on my computer on my home network first and foremost and is therefore MY data. It does not belong to the ISP I am connected to.
Just like any company who is generating data on the web, the fact that it transverses common carrier networks does not mean those carriers have rights to view or use the data.
Of course the ISP folks will or have just put terms in the TOS which indicate you're screwed and that they can spy on you whenever. Isn't that how it usually works? 
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| dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: Does this spying still.. said by ph03n1x:.. work off of the ISP's DNS numbers? If so, could always try and find the root DNS servers for a backbone/level 1 provider like Level3 Communications. content has to go thru your providers routers and thats where the nebuad hardware sits. what dns you use is a moot point.
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| | | | Re: Does this spying still.. If that's the case, VPN into a colocated machine somewhere else. Nebuad would get nothing. | |
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join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 Reviews:
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| Investors in Nebuad are to blame. Who are tne investors in NebuAd ? Did they *really* think that ISPs could slip this satanic device into their service without customers generating a HUGE backlash and having serious privacy law violations ?
No offense meant to the company or its employees, but this company MUST go belly up and go belly up fast and big. This should send a strong message to clueless venture capitalists that investing in DPI equipmenty comanies is a big no no and risks a huge backlash. | |
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join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY Reviews:
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| Re: Investors in Nebuad are to blame. The average person has no idea about Nebuad or what they are trying to do or what the possible dangers are to internet users. If I was to sit down and explain the technicalities to ten people in my family the question would be "so what is the problem"?
If Nebuad sent a guy to follow my mailman and look in my mailbox that would be illegal. If the Verizon sold Nebuad a list of the phone calls that I had made that would also be illegal. Unfortunately if Verizon sells a list of web sites that I visited last month that is OK???? | |
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join:2000-06-26
Camelot
kudos:1 | Opt in Opt out is BS!! How about a federal/state do not track/sell listing just like the do not call listing.
But with some real teeth to bite the violators.
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| | | Re: Opt in Opt out is BS!! said by HFB1217:How about a federal/state do not track/sell listing just like the do not call listing. But with some real teeth to bite the violators. Keep dreaming. It'll never happen (1) Because the Congress is coin operated; (2) it's more profitable to buy/sell consumer data than it is to protect Americans from ID theft. | |
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join:2001-10-29
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What Privacy!
Anyone that thinks that there is any form of privacy on the Internet is misinformed. The Internet is the worlds largest party line. Ones activities on the Internet can be monitored at many levels. Unless one encrypts their E-Mails forget privacy. ISP's can record all of a subscribers activities on the Internet. Websites regularly track their viewers through cookies. NebuAD is just a more diabolical level of snooping on a subscribers activities. Until the our current corporatist government is replaced with one interested in it's citizens rights one would not expect to see our legislature pass laws protecting privacy on the Internet.
