Pizz
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Astoria, NY | I wonder
How many other cable co's are degrading VOIP services. I know when i had ATT Calladvantage, i had frequent poor quality of calls over time warner cable lines. I was one of the many who took the triple play deal.. |
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Rick
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| This was a joint press release....
Not a technical paper.
In the business world one wouldn't expect them to include technical specifics in a press release of that sort.
I also wouldn't expect Comcast to spell out how they do anything technically related anyway. Nothing like handing over to their competitors free technical advise if they did.
Apparently Vonage is happy with what they're doing. Enough so to make this announcement jointly.
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KrK
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Re: I wonder
That type of thing is why net neutrality is necessary. |
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SSX4life
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ptrowski
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Re: This was a joint press release....
AKA Comcast admitting they were messing with Vonage VoIP calls. |
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MrMoody
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Re: I wonder
Yes, and Comcast is paying lip service to "playing nice" because they don't want neutrality laws. As long as net neutrality isn't law, they can continue to mildly degrade competing VoIP over their network, just enough to make it annoying, and make deals with VoIP companies to reduce the degradation.
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Rick
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1 edit | reply to ptrowski
Re: This was a joint press release....
said by ptrowski  :AKA Comcast admitting they were messing with Vonage VoIP calls. I know numerous people with vonage using it over comcasts lines the last year.
Not a single one ever had a problem.
Do you have any facts to support your rampant speculation? |
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ptrowski
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1 edit | said by Rick :said by ptrowski :AKA Comcast admitting they were messing with Vonage VoIP calls. I know numerous people with vonage using it over comcasts lines the last year. Not a single one ever had a problem. Do you just run around making things up or what? Check the Vonage forums here and vongage-forums.com
So Comcast just for giggles decides to have this press release with them? Come on.
I like how you use the reasoning of saying "I know people who do it so it must not be true".
Nice edit of your post, glad I quoted it.
Here is just some threads from our Vonage forums...
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bjbrock
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| I'm sick of hearing about congestion.
Whether thru government subsidies or increased rates, broadband providers need to be forced to increase network capacities. The money they spend on trying to destroy their competition through propaganda could go a long ways towards increasing capacities. The investments need to be made whether willingly or by legilation. There is no reason why network congestion should even be a factor today.
The money needs to be spent on the infrastructure. Lack of capacities need to be a thing of the past so we can get on with letting the Internet be all it can be. It's time to force broadband providers to stop using the excuse of capacity to controll their competition.
I think the entire broadband infrastructure should be nationalized because the current owners can't manage them responsibly. |
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Rick
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Re: This was a joint press release....
said by ptrowski :I like how you use the reasoning of saying "I know people who do it so it must not be true". I'd say my reasoning which is based on personal knowledge of these people and their vonage service and Comcast connection is far superior to your source which seems to be
"check the post of some stranger in a forum".
You're so quick to assess blame on comcast apparently without considering at all the fact that who knows what their real issue was? Perhaps it was their internet connection in general or the fact that Vonages calls completely rely on using the public internet, traveling over many networks.
Instead..you turn that into "Comcast admitting that they're messing with VOIP calls".
Quite the leap there on your part if you ask me. |
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KrK
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Re: I wonder
I'd have to agree. This is PR, they made some deal with Vonage for the publicity and to get mileage out of it on the lobbying agenda.
So they put Vonage up on a pedestal as an example of their "new" policies.
Course, should they actually win the long term battle (and achieve their agenda- banning net neutrality type regulations) they'll be able to kick that pedestal out from under Vonage (and other Net competitors) at the snap of their fingers.
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EPS
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Re: I'm sick of hearing about congestion.
And you sounded like you had the right idea before the nationalization thing...
Sometimes I wonder if competition is the problem here, and if a regulated monopoly would be better, though even then I have doubts... But a government-owned monopoly would simply be asking for trouble. |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: This was a joint press release....
said by Rick :Apparently Vonage is happy with what they're doing. Enough so to make this announcement jointly. And that is the point. Vonage knows that they will get QOS routing thru the network.
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Re: I'm sick of hearing about congestion.
said by EPS :But a government-owned monopoly would simply be asking for trouble. ...since they cannot properly manage other things on their plate.
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Rick
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Re: This was a joint press release....
said by TKJunkMail :said by Rick :Apparently Vonage is happy with what they're doing. Enough so to make this announcement jointly. And that is the point. Vonage knows that they will get QOS routing thru the network. Nice for them. But that hardly addresses the entire premise that Vonage is based on..routing through any network..anywhere..at anytime.
If they have quality issues..it's because of that.
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cruzinmy64
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| Yes, Comcast DOES mess with 3rd party VOIP
Yes, Comcast DOES mess with 3rd party VOIP. I have a rock solid Comcast cable modem with 10mb down / 2mb+ upload and can't manage to make a single VOIP call without either delays, jitter, or the call just "dropping" after a few min. I recently added a cheal DSL line with 4mb down and 384k up and VOIP works perfect - not a single dropped call!!! Comcast should be SHUT DOWN for pulling this BS w/ us. Many others w/ same issue - I am not the only one that had VOIP suck on Comcast EXCEPT *Their* "Comcast Digital Voice" VOIP... Those bast**ds... Think we are that dumb, huh??
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Cabal
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Boston, MA | No complaints in the Comcast forum. No issues here with the 5+ providers I use for work testing on Comcast.
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dnoyeB
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I have not had a single problem since I upgraded my router. Sounds good as a land line. That was January.
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JasonOD
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Re: This was a joint press release....
My take is Comcast and every other ISP should be able to do whatever the heck they want to their network in order to maximize revenue AND benefit consumers by increasing the value of their products. So in light of the reality that is "best effort" for all consumer ISP offerings, Comcast shouldn't be making concessions to their network like this.
In addition, I can't imagine stockholders will be too happy about about granting special treatment to a company offering a competing product. |
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ptrowski
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said by Rick :said by ptrowski :I like how you use the reasoning of saying "I know people who do it so it must not be true". I'd say my reasoning which is based on personal knowledge of these people and their vonage service and Comcast connection is far superior to your source which seems to be "check the post of some stranger in a forum". You're so quick to assess blame on comcast apparently without considering at all the fact that who knows what their real issue was? Perhaps it was their internet connection in general or the fact that Vonages calls completely rely on using the public internet, traveling over many networks. Instead..you turn that into "Comcast admitting that they're messing with VOIP calls". Quite the leap there on your part if you ask me. Come on, let's be serious here. This is a PR stunt trying to show that Comcast has "turned a new leaf". I used Vonage for quite a while and was very active in the vonage-forums. There are cases where people would use Vonage on a Comcast connection that tested "clean" and had issues, and then tried another connection and it was clear.
Interstingly enough a crop of issues popped up around the time Comcast was launching CDV. Am I saying they mess with every VoIP call? No. Was there enough evidence that pointed to it? Sure.
Remember, Comcast said they never used Sandvine and denied it until they were dragged into the light. This is only a PR stunt, just like when they made their announcement with Bit Torrent. Have a press release, snap a few pictures, look how we are playing nice.
Should Vonage become a bit more of a business threat, then they will fall into "reasonable network management".
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