ptrowski
Got Helix?
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | Wow....
Is Bell Canada's office in Bizarro land or something? That is truly laughable.
I feel sorry for my Northern Brethren.. |
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LOL at Bell
@videotron.ca | LOL at Bell
LOL
Throttling Aids Innovation
hahaha |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | throttle the CEO
I bet throttling (as in neck) the CEO of Bell Canada would aid innovation immensely. |
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BK
join:2001-09-10
Wheaton, IL | strange
so they want people to innovate ways to compress data better so it doesn't use as much bandwidth to send the same thing...
..but why don't they just innovate ways to get more bandwidth. fiber or something? |
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jerseyjoe123
join:2008-04-28
Picton, ON
| Bell's Traffic Management
"Several parties have claimed that traffic management will hinder innovation. The Commission should see these claims for what they really are: the use of policy rhetoric devoid of substance in order to promote vested business interests."
Whereas, Bell is claiming that traffic management will promote innovation. The Commission should see these claims for what they really are: the use of policy rhetoric devoid of substance in order to promote vested business interests.
Yeah, right...  |
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Rastan
join:2007-04-25
Canada | Bell is Run by Liars
This is yet another example of how Bell does business. Instead of being open and honest, they prefer to spin the facts and lie. |
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kcblack
Premium
join:2000-09-11
Chicago, IL | Pot, kettle...lol
Pot, meet Kettle, Kettle meet Pot
Speaking of Pot, that must be what they are smoking to come up with this.
"We had to destroy the village, to save the village"...
Kevin |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
 ·Optimum Online
| reply to ptrowski
Re: Wow....
said by ptrowski  :Is Bell Canada's office in Bizarro land or something? That is truly laughable. I feel sorry for my Northern Brethren.. Tell me about it. My youngest sister and her family live outside of Toronto and the stuff they have to put up with in the high-tech world. Three-year cellular contracts with stiff caps and ISP's that throttle and produce ever tighter caps.
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Tikker_LoS
join:2004-04-29
Regina, SK
 ·SaskTel Saskatchewan
| reply to BK
Re: strange
said by BK :so they want people to innovate ways to compress data better so it doesn't use as much bandwidth to send the same thing... ..but why don't they just innovate ways to get more bandwidth. fiber or something? well, they're kind of half right
go back in time 15-20 years and see the kind of stuff that companies were doing to cram as much data as they could across the 56k lines that were prevelant then
don't get me wrong, I think it's still just an excuse right now, but there is a grain of truth to it |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA
| reply to nasadude
Re: throttle the CEO
"Necessity is the mother of invention. Without any regard to oxygen supply, the CEO could breathe in such a way as to use all of the oxygen that is available. So, you see, when we restrict his oxygen supply, it forces him to use his oxygen more efficiently!" |
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Selenia
join:2006-09-22
Pittsfield, MA
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
| Helping us innovate ways to beat them lol
Bell said
"Indeed, the opposite of these claims is clearly the case; necessity is the mother of invention."
I see your point. ISPs started getting cheap and cutting off torrents, so we invented torrent clients with encryption and a few other things. Maybe soon we'll use p2p clients that resemble short term ssl connections during actual transfers. Maybe someday we'll invent a way to automatically revoke the internet privileges of such fools via the push of a red button, which will promote innovation greatly, once we have invented it because of such idiots and douche bags as the CEOs of Bell Canada and Rogers(I am originally from Canada and have dealt with both companies). |
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mobbo
join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | WTF...
"the use of policy rhetoric devoid of substance in order to promote vested business interests."
OH NO I'VE GONE CROSS-EYED!!! |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to ptrowski
Re: Wow....
Throttling only aid innovation if you're a hacker... and can find ways around it.
Bell Canada's 'Innovation' is similar to someone fixing a bicycle tire with a glue gun and duct tape. Sure ... its innovative, it works, and ITS CHEAP.
Is it proper... not really
Will it work in a pinch .. sure
Is it safe ... who knows - the tire isn't balanced and the wheel doesn't ride smooth.
Do we care ... not really - as we're saving money at someone else's expense.
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Canada = Hollywood North |
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jcan
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| Innovation stifled?
Can anyone give me some concrete examples of how innovation is being stifled by the throttling of P2P traffic? I would like to understand the reason for all the passionate arguments surrounding this.
Personally, I am throttled (have used BitTorrent and Limewire to test), but don't seem to be impacted at all. My Internet TV, VPN and downloading all work fine, even in the evening.
Thanks for input! |
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica | Innovation
I suppose throttling really does aid innovation, but only in the area of bypassing said throttling. |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17 | reply to jcan
Re: Innovation stifled?
Clearly you don't *use* P2P, so stay out of it. |
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Selenia
join:2006-09-22
Pittsfield, MA
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to jcan
p2p, including Bit Torrent has been a very big aid to innovation in recent years. Think of those multi-gig Linux isos and open source programs that are distributed for free, with plenty of devoted seeders. Some of this content is mostly distributed over BT, conserving massive resources on their servers, as they probably lack the funding that Micro$haft and Apple can spend on their servers. The open source programs and OS distributions provide competition in areas where otherwise a monopoly or a duopoly would exist. This promotes innovation. In Canada, competition can be short and Bell is about as much innovation as you'll be stuck with, if you don't have enough competition.
PS-Even if you don't like Linux(or other open source OSes), you have to agree that it has forced some innovation In more commercial OSes. The same is just as true for certain types of programs. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to ptrowski
Re: Wow....
sure in inspires innovation in the R&D of new routers that throttle better and thats what matters to the ISP and Cisco.
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| reply to Tikker_LoS
Re: strange
said by Tikker_LoS :don't get me wrong, I think it's still just an excuse right now, but there is a grain of truth to it Yes, in the same way there is a grain of truth in stating that exterminating the Jews aided the "innovation" of a master race. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by SilverSurfer :said by Tikker_LoS :don't get me wrong, I think it's still just an excuse right now, but there is a grain of truth to it Yes, in the same way there is a grain of truth in stating that exterminating the Jews aided the "innovation" of a master race. Did you just compare the holocaust to your f'ing internet connection being throttled? |
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