Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | We don't really mean it.
By opting out, you will continue to receive advertisements as normal; but these advertisements will be less relevant and less useful to you..
Hee, nice. An opt out that isn't. |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Skype
| Karl was WAY ahead on this...
... »Wide Open West Using NebuAD
Congress is very surprised to hear that Embarq users weren't notified. Fact is that neither were WOW! users. And of all the ISPs listed on »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NebuAd -- I don't think any of these users were notified. (Except maybe CenturyTel? I'm not sure why I believe that CenturyTel was an exception.)
There just isn't any evidence that users knew beforehand on any of these systems.
--Robb
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HTTP is the new Bandwidth Hog...
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| Clickstream Data -- who is buying it -- who is selling it?
One item of truth (or at least truthiness ) is that all ISPs sell their clickstream data.
So who is really selling this, and who is buying it?
One company that buys clickstream data appears to be Hitwise, an Australian subsidiary of Experian. The "How we do it" web page says, "Hitwise has developed proprietary software that Internet Service Providers (ISPs) use to analyze website usage logs created on their network. The anonymous data sent to Hitwise from the ISPs include a range of industry standard metrics relating to the viewing of websites including page requests, visits and average visit length."
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HTTP is the new Bandwidth Hog...
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | For the love of..
Would someone please inform those congressmen about ISP's practice of selling your clickstream. |
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Hazy Arc
join:2006-04-10
Greenwood, SC |  Return On Investment?
If Embarq knocks off $2.50 a month from my bill (splitting the estimated $5 they make off of selling my data), then it wouldn't be such a big deal. Alas, if anything, my bill has done nothing but go up and my service has done nothing but dwindled. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | all ILECs prices ago up faster than cable. You gotta add in the "other taxes and fees" |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Cale Act of 1984
CA of 1984 doesnt apply here so they'll have to find something else but they're an ILEC so be like all the others and just buy your way threw. Especially since they can claim they were acting on the best interest of the USA for "wire tapping" since we know all now that if you claim its for terrorists the gov't will let you keep on doing it. |
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atangel
Now What??
Premium
join:2002-02-18
Bronx, NY
| reply to Hazy Arc
Re: Return On Investment?
I agree. Listen, if my surfing has value, then they should share that asset with me if they are going to profit from it. After all, in my mind, it is a lot like a copyright. Your right to my "Asset" (words or surfing habits) is contingent on you paying me my share.
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DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC | reply to Hazy Arc
Maybe they are, by not raising your bill to cover the NebuAd fees.  |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | reply to atangel
Or, we can sell your information, raise your bill anyway, and keep the profits! Don't like it, well, too bad, use some other ISP! (No other choices, or they're doing it too? Oh well, we don't care!) |
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atangel
Now What??
Premium
join:2002-02-18
Bronx, NY
| reply to DataDoc
Then they aren't (that's like saying your boss gave you raise because he didn't charge you for the electricity!).
It has to be a transaction both parties enter into knowingly, you pay 50/month or 52.50/Month if you opt out. That way, they can determine the value and either up the amount or lower it. If no-one participates at the 2.50 rate, and they think there is money to be made for the corporation, then they will have to offer more.
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MicroWISP
join:2008-01-30
TX Republic
| reply to Stumbles
Re: We don't really mean it.
Stumbles, the ISP is just letting you know that you will still receive ads, just not the targeted ones. Just like before they started using NebuAd. As an ISP myself, I can understand, I can see my customers now saying, "I opted out but I still get ads and popups, why?"
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| I don't think ISP's should be allowed to interject crap such as ads, targeted or not into my data stream as I surf about. If such things are on the website I visit, that is one thing. By default it should be an automatic OPT-OUT with the requirement ISPs ASK for permission FIRST. The assumption ISPs think they own MY data is bull. |
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FLengineer
Premium
join:2007-06-26
Leesburg, FL
·Vonage
·Comcast
 ·T-Mobile US
·Embarq
1 edit | Personally Identifiable Information???
What if I pay for a static IP? Doesn't that IP address personally identify me? It may not be my IP address forever but it is mine currently, just like my phone number. Some people will argue that my ISP can change my static IP, so can your phone company (area code splits).
I don't see a huge difference between a phone number and a static IP address. While dynamic IP addresses still resolve in DNS servers to your ISP, a static IP address can be resolved to your "Personally Identifiable Information".
I guess the point here is your static IP address and in some cases even your dynamic IP address can be used to get your personal information and therefor the IP address itself should be considered "Personally Identifiable Information".
IP Address 209.123.109.175 belongs to www.dslreports.com which from a whois search shows tucows.com as the registrar.
tucows.com says the following about dslreports.com
broadbandreports.com
408/1636 third avenue
New York, NY 10128
US
If that's not a violation of privacy we're all screwed. Connecting an IP address to a domain name and then to an address is public info. However looking at the browsing history for an IP address and then saying "we have no idea who that IP address belongs to" is a completely FALSE statement. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to atangel
Re: Return On Investment?
Who says it has to be agreed upon boy both parties?
You? |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to FLengineer
Re: Personally Identifiable Information???
how is showing who owns a domain in violation of privacy. get over it already.
if you're that worried about your information being private get the hell off the internet already.
You agree to have your information public as soon as you turn on your web browser or sign up for someone online. Especially a domain unless you pay extra to have the information kept private. |
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FLengineer
Premium
join:2007-06-26
Leesburg, FL
·Vonage
·Comcast
·T-Mobile US
·Embarq
1 edit | I really hope Playboy sends you a letter in the mail offering a one month free subscription that starts out with "Because you browse soo much porn in the internet....."
I also hope your daughter checks the mail first.
Also you are going to have a tough time hiding all the VD medication samples from your wife. Even though all you did was miss click on the wrong link. YEA like she will believe that one.
Go away troll. My post was perfectly reasonable in stating that NebuAD considers your IP address not private info when in fact it IS private info. |
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goalieskates
join:2004-09-12
Knoxville, TN | reply to funchords
Re: Karl was WAY ahead on this...
I know for certain Knology users weren't notified. They're small enough that I imagine it will take Congress a while to get to them, but hopefully they will. Otherwise I'll have to jump to a new ISP and I don't care much for their competition here. |
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Smith6612
Premium
join:2008-02-01
united state | reply to FLengineer
Re: Personally Identifiable Information???
The owners of websites can choose to have their domain name's registar information anonymous or not on the internet. All you have to do is ask. |
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FLengineer
Premium
join:2007-06-26
Leesburg, FL
·Vonage
·Comcast
·T-Mobile US
·Embarq
2 edits | That is correct. Most charge extra for it, or you could enter the wrong info.
Even if you do hide the registrant info for the domain, I'm sure if you have a domain then you have some sort of website that has your contact info on it. All this info is public information or information YOU have provided, But when you attach browsing histories and search terms to it, it becomes a problem.
Your IP address IS private, keep it that way. |
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