TOPDAWG
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Midland, ON | WHAT?
The hell is with the anime girl picture? |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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I firmly believe in choosing your battles wisely. And this is a losing battle because there are positives for the ISP's network, positives for the **AA's, positives for software developers, and yes, positives for the fight against child pornography.
If you're in the minority who still use newsgroups, you're going to have to pony up $5/month for an external provider or use one of the free text to web newsgroup services.
As Corky would say, "Life goes on." |
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The Flash
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Re: WHAT?
said by TOPDAWG  :The hell is with the anime girl picture? lol ask »/useremail/u/141383 |
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moonpuppy
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Re: Choose Your Battles
said by Matt :If you're in the minority who still use newsgroups, you're going to have to pony up $5/month for an external provider or use one of the free text to web newsgroup services. Then I want a $5/month discount since the ISP was charging me for a service that was included in the price of my monthly subscription. |
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Jeffrey
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Re: WHAT?
said by TOPDAWG :The hell is with the anime girl picture? My guess is that it's a representation of the idea of "vagueness" or "ambiguity" in terms of deciding what it is and is not offensive. It makes you think a little, sort of like many of The New Yorker covers recently.
I also could be reading waaayyy to much into it. 
It's obvious to me at least that the stoppage of those newsgroups by those providers is nothing but a cost-cutting and back-patting measure. Unfortunately, you can't stop child pornography that way. I don't know how to, but eliminating the entire alt.binary hierarchy isn't the way to do it.
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TOPDAWG
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Midland, ON | I think it's more of a favor to the RIAA and MPAA myself. |
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Count Zero
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B
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Just came in to express my mixed feelings on "a historic agreement". It looks right but sounds wrong when read aloud; one has to slow down and sound as if one is burping or stuttering.
And still I believe the more official guidelines indicate "a historic" is correct, in much the same way they recommend against beginning sentences with conjunctions.
So that's my contribution to the Empty Rhetoric.
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fester
join:2005-10-03
Lorton, VA
| Call me crazy
After reading this it reminded me of a video I saw about a month ago. Though it's not on child pornography/terrorism. I feel what they say in the clip relates to what's slowly going on in our country in regards to big media tightening the flow of information all for the bottom dollar in their favor.
here's the link to the clip »ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2 |
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rahlquist
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join:2001-10-30
Villa Rica, GA
| slope
Ok but why is everyone avoiding the pink elephant in the middle of the room?
Section 230 of the Communications Decency act covers this, an ISP is not responsible for the porn people can reach through it as long as the ISP does not edit or remove offensive content. Once they begin the edit the content they are liable for all the content available through them. At least that's how I have always seen it interpreted. ( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23···ency_Act ) so for example if I ran a small ISP with a news server and removed alt.kiddie.porn from my server and someone managed to pull some kiddie porn from alt.porn then I would be responsible for that content as if I approved it. AT&T solved this by dumping all the alt.binaries, but that still wont prevent it 100%.
The slippery slope is sliding past us at an ever increasing rate. Reach out and grab the lifeline of the bill of rights and constitution ...
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Jeffrey
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Re: WHAT?
said by TOPDAWG :I think it's more of a favor to the RIAA and MPAA myself. That may very well be the case, ("save the children" argument turned into copyright protection/enforcement for the RIAA and MPAA), however, the issue here becomes censorship, enforcement, and relative control of a resource.
The subscribers of those ISPs that recently (or somewhat recently in AOLs case) had their alt.binaries.* hierarchy removed now either can go to a 3rd party service, or less likely, select another broadband provider in their area.
The question now becomes what is next? I'm not advocating the use of Usenet for anything illegal, but a sweeping removal of the entire alt.binaries.* groups removes good and bad. Using a rocket to kill a mosquito, if I may loosely borrow that philosophy for a second.
So, what's the next bunch of groups to go? Rec.music.*? Alt.politics.*?
Pop open your news reader and filter the alt.binaries.* hierarchy and see just exactly how many valid, legal groups are now restricted. Granted, they may be in the minority if you want to take all of the sex groups out of the argument, but none the less, they are there.
How long before third-party news providers are forced/coerced to limit newsgroups?
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EPS
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Re: slope
The problem is that the New York AG was threatening to launch legal action against the carriers anyway. They may have been able to use the Communications Decency Act as a defense, but it would still end up a long expensive legal process that would greatly injure their public image. ("Next at 11: Is your ISP defending pedophiles?") |
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major marco
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| said by rahlquist :Ok but why is everyone avoiding the pink elephant in the middle of the room? said by EPS :The problem is that the New York AG was threatening to launch legal action against the carriers anyway. They may have been able to use the Communications Decency Act as a defense, but it would still end up a long expensive legal process that would greatly injure their public image. ("Next at 11: Is your ISP defending pedophiles?") Two reasons:
(1) How many sheeple are actually aware of the CDA, nevermind §230.
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(2) Notwithstanding negative PR, but also include the fact that these phantom crusades make great 20 second soundbytes for fatcats looking to pad their resumes so it looks good for the next election year. It's a hell of a lot easier to appear to be doing something worthwhile as opposed to actually having to get off your ass and do it. Why bother when the press will suck you off with very little to no effort exerted by you.
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N3OGH
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Re: WHAT?
It's whatever it is in your mind, and I think that's kind of the point.
Either way, is anyone surprised a politician is trying to take credit for something he/she didn't do?
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ggultra2764
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The differences of cultural norms between the Japanese and Americans would be a major debate concerning anime and hentai. Anime and hentai are well-known for pushing the envelope in terms of questionable content, even going beyond it at some points. One well-known and controversial genre of anime called lolicon depicts childlike female characters in an erotic manner. This is also the case with shotacon which involves childlike male characters. Western countries like Canada have responded to these titles by completely banning them from distribution as they believe such content could make someone into a child molester. |
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cdru
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Fort Wayne, IN | Election year?
Does anyone know, is this an election year? I can never tell. |
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Blackened
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Indeed, but it's also an election year.
People suddenly lose what few brain cells they have when it comes to elections during an election year.
They forget the voting history and tendencies of the politician, instead focus entirely on the marketing scheme. Just like people make bad choices with products, they make even poorer choices with politicians. Is our children learning? Get a brain, morans. |
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stomp357
join:2003-04-13
Lake Charles, LA
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Re: WHAT?
said by Jeffrey
How long before third-party news providers are forced/coerced to limit newsgroups?
[/BQUOTE :Not long. Maybe a year.  |
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DaneJasper
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I wrote a response on this topic from my perspective as an ISP that you might find interesting:
»corp.sonic.net/ceo/2008/06/20/th···nternet/
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Kearnstd
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Re: slope
this could also be a method of attack at piracy, get the ISPs to close down newsgroup access in the name of the children and you also nip a bud on the massive piracy tree, which while usless makes the legal eagles and **AAs feel good.
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