mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Optimum Online
2 edits | Lies!
That's complete bullshit, Embarq...and you know it. How would you feel if I sold the browsing habits of your employees (normal joes, managers and execs) that off the clock/at home?
I'll just make some lame excuse the way you are doing with your customers. |
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Hazy Arc
join:2006-04-10
Greenwood, SC | Empowering...?
Being an Embarq customer, I must say that I feel quite "empowered" by having behavioral advertising shoved down my throat whether I like it or not.
Hell, it even reduces my monthly bill. Oh...wait a minute...... |
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MASantangelo
Premium
join:2004-07-19
Pittstown, NJ | Curious...
I'm curious to see if any of these ISPs raised rates/prices/fees in order to pay for NebuAD hardware/software and then proceeded to pocket the profit.
Seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do if I were a money-grubbing ISP. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| well but...
"Interesting, considering I've yet to see a free or reduced rate NebuAD funded ISP."
and hence is the crux of their argument. They will tell you that you are getting a discount because if they didn't sell your data they would have to raise your rates. |
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DoRight
join:2007-07-20
Mechanicsburg, PA
·Comcast
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Verizon FIOS
2 edits | Reminds me..
This reminds me of those Direct TV commercials.. Let's make something up so it sounds good 80% of the time for 20% of our customers.. Something like that.. lol... This has nothing to do with customers getting a better service.. More money in Sprint, I mean Embarq's pocket.. |
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JasonOD
@comcast.net
| Welcome to marketing in the digital age boys.......
There are pluses and minuses to increasing technology. Just like your connection at work, there can be no expectations of privacy when using your home connection. In this case though, your employer can use your habits against you, while your home ISP uses your browsing to make money. |
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PhoenixDown
-- Wants FIOS
Premium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs:   | I'll PAY $2 a month to keep my info private
How about that? |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Then make it opt in
Is the service is so bitchen, then they'll have no problem suckering signing people up. |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| Much ado about Nothing
Contextual advertising has been going on for some time, for example I was researching Hello Kitty items looking and bid history on Ebay to see what they were going for. as a result I getting plush and Hello Kitty suggestions from Ebay. The there contextual ads on Live Journal.
IF there is anything I am bothered with is how business today are trying to see revenue outside their main buissness, be it internet or airlines.
"empowering individual and business internet users by making their experience more accessible and relevant."
This is true for the advertiser allowing them to target their ad on only on people who will buy their product. I would like to see more of it because I am sick and tired as a bible believing (reformed ) Christian getting ads for anti Christian programing and gay bear dating sites because I have the word bear and Christ in my Live Journal.
I do not see the need for grandstanding Congress critters or corporate wonks need to get involve in this issue. If any thing the free market shroud sort things out by letting a entrepreneur create a encryption service or router that can thwart deep packet scanning. I be first in line to buy it. |
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PrntRhd
join:2004-11-03
Fairfield, CA
·Comcast
·Comcast Formerly ..
| reply to inteller
Re: well but...
said by inteller  :"Interesting, considering I've yet to see a free or reduced rate NebuAD funded ISP." and hence is the crux of their argument. They will tell you that you are getting a discount because if they didn't sell your data they would have to raise your rates. No raise your rates MORE.
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avd706
insert annoying animated gif here
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Union, NJ
| reply to Richard B
Re: Much ado about Nothing
said by Richard B :free market shroud sort things out by letting a entrepreneur create a encryption service or router that can thwart deep packet scanning. I be first in line to buy it. Is there a anonymiser proxy which encrypts traffic from the browser to the proxy server? |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to Hazy Arc
Re: Empowering...?
Ads increase monthly profit for the ISP, they also raise rates.
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gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
Premium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
clubs:
 ·Embarq
 ·linode
| Disapointing
Well, I can't say I didn't expect their BS reply, but I can still say I was hoping for more.
Why would a company destroy themselves for $2 a month per user?
They aren't that wonderful of a company in the first place, and as a paying customer, I have felt nothing but taken advantage of, and overcharged.
Thanks Embarq
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Blackened
Your Freedom Fries Are Stale
join:2003-09-29 | Of course
.. and stabbing me multiple times with a knife empowers the health care industry.
Nothing new here. |
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rcdailey
Dragoonfly
Premium
join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
| said by Blackened :.. and stabbing me multiple times with a knife empowers the health care industry. Nothing new here. It's more like this: Being stabbed multiple times with a knife increases the probability of your getting emergency care, as opposed to just walking into an ER and sitting down to wait for a nurse. |
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Dezbend
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-20
| Price Increases
I don't support the use of NebuAD and especially the method Embarq chose to employ it, but it has been suggested that there have been no price decreases or even price increases in tangent with this. As it is true that no price changes were tied into the use of NebuAD, Embarq did lower the price of their DSL in January and has a history of dropping prices... I don't recall any price increase on the general price (some promotions were limited time).
8 years ago Sprint sold 512k DSL @ $52.99/month - technology has improved, Embarq has found more efficient ways of doing business including new revenue streams (google bar on the myembarq.com website, web packs with paid online services, etc.).
This latest attempt is definitely a failure, but I have seen the prices go down over the past few years, not up.
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
·Embarq
| There is no privacy
once you leave your front door (and sometimes even when you haven't!).
The more the MBA generation insults my intelligence with corporate doublespeak, the more I steel my resolve not to buy. It's an action/reaction sorta thing. But they fail to get that part because to them we're all stupid asses with direct-pay.
Idiots
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Hazy Arc
Re: Empowering...?
Behavioral advertising is about "empowering violating
individual and business internet users by making their experience more accessible and relevant to advertisers so we can line our pockets."
100% NOT ACCEPTABLE
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
| Privacy in general
I agree this is a very slippery slope. When my ISP started this I immediately opted out and looked for an alternative.
Just as concerning is the level of private information collected by the Google browser pluggins, Gmail, Google desktop, etc. While to some extent this is user selectable (as ISPs are), Google does really own search on the Internet (~70%) and all the information that goes with it.
The growing monopoly and privacy issues Google does have are around the Adsense world. This should be even more concerning to the entire Internet population. Funny how there are no FCC or government limits on the level of ownership in this space.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to MASantangelo
Re: Curious...
said by MASantangelo :Seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do if I were a money-grubbing ISP. Ah, the demand that ISPs don't make a reasonable profit. Of course, to some, any company that actually makes money is by definition "money grubbing".
Check out their income statements:
»finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=EQ&annual
They are only making 14%, 12.3%, & 10.6% the last 3 years. Just enough to keep investors interested enough in their company to fund capital improvements.
Income last 3 years
683,000,000 784,000,000 878,000,000
Capital expenditures last 3 years
829,000,000 923,000,000 828,000,000
So the last 2 years they actually had to borrow money to fund improvements. Sure doesn't sound like a money grubbing operation to me. But I am sure it does to those who think they should get everything for free and other people should invest and not get a return(except for themselves of course).
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