sousademiami
join:2003-02-04
Hialeah, FL
 ·Comcast
 ·AT&T Southeast
1 edit |  I don't get it!
Why is network neutrality even still up for debate? Google pays for it's connection to the internet. I pay for mine. Why should they have to pay my provider to communicate with me?
It's as if I have long distance phone service and so do you, but if I want to be able to call you and have decent service I still have to pay your provider too.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?!?!
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Because the ISP expects you and Google to pay 2 and 3 times over to deliver the same data. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
|  Agree 100%
I agree 100%. At some point, the Bells turned away from innovative new technology and the pursuit of research and turned into a profit motivated dinosaur. They will do anything to provide the least service at the highest price, all the while keeping the consumer confused with misleading product pricing full of hidden, bogus fees, and draconian contracts.
If they had it their way, we'd still pay $50 month for a POTS line and $3,000 T-1 or $300/month ISDN as the only options for high speed internet access.
What happened to the innovative minds at Bell that produced all the wonderful technology of the 50's, 60's and 70's? What happened in the 70's to turn the company in the direction it's currently in? |
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UJcDV
join:2002-04-29
Ypsilanti, MI | It's called "Deregulation" thats what happened.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| said by UJcDV  :It's called "Deregulation" thats what happened. another way to put it is that the "tots" haven't had adult supervision in several years. What do you think would happen to your house if you let a 4 year old do whatever he wanted for a couple of years? |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | reply to sousademiami
Re: I don't get it!
greed and entitlement issues by telcos, mostly. although they will claim it is every other excuse imaginable... |
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Name brand
@verizon.net | reply to nasadude
Re: Agree 100%
All u paying is for the name brand. |
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Gage
@charter.com
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The fact of the matter is, is that the Bells are being left behind in the this new digital age, and they are unwilling to change with it and move on with innovation and pricing to match. They are stuck back in the 50's and 60's where they could charge what they wanted and there was no other choice for the poor consumers. Now there is choice with services like VOIP ect, they don't like it. I would tell them to "Get over it, or get out of the way"
I admire Google for pushing ahead despite the old fossils that are the Bells. Google and companies like it that see the future and are forging ahead to get us there. |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to morbo
Re: I don't get it!
Guess you didn't get the memo...they're the new Bridge Troll.
But unfortunately for them, Google is the third Billy Goat. |
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msmisfit
join:2004-09-13
Lawrenceville, GA
| reply to nasadude
Re: Agree 100%
said by nasadude :said by UJcDV :It's called "Deregulation" thats what happened. another way to put it is that the "tots" haven't had adult supervision in several years. What do you think would happen to your house if you let a 4 year old do whatever he wanted for a couple of years? You're both right! I sure hope the next election will bring in enough new faces to Congress, to re-visit the monopolies and degradation brought on by deregulation. I will support Google every way I can. |
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pv8man999
@sbcglobal.net | cookie jar
Google pays for their connection.
I pay for mine.
and that should be that...
but, there are lots of others that see it as a cookie jar that they want to get their hands into as well. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to Gage
Re: Amazing
Totally agreed. Oh, and the int Cerf quote is golden.  |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Brooklyn NYC
·Verizon Online DSL
| Reverse the Paradigm
I don't get it either! What makes a raw Internet connection valuable? Answer: Content.
Without content, a connection is practically useless. It's the content providers who give value to connectivity. ISPs should pay content providers for allowing their customers to access the content, not the other way around.
Seems to me, companies like Google, have the upper hand here.
Bob
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Blackened
Your Freedom Fries Are Stale
join:2003-09-29 | Moar muni
Can't wait to ditch the bells.
Or move 5-10 miles up to Mountain View and get free Google wireless. :P |
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ElJay
join:2004-03-17
1 edit | reply to sousademiami
Re: I don't get it!
It's typical in big and old companies like AT&T and the Bells. These companies think they walk on water and THEY will tell the people what they want. If these companies don't wise up then they'll lose customers to something better. |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Hollis Hosting
·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to Matt
Re: Agree 100%
said by Matt : What happened to the innovative minds at Bell that produced all the wonderful technology of the 50's, 60's and 70's? What happened in the 70's to turn the company in the direction it's currently in? I disagree a little with your analysis. It is true Bell Labs produced incredible innovation. However innovation was not about new products but rather ability to deliver the same product at lower price.
Deregulation has its share of problems but it has resulted in a lot of innovation, that innovation occurred outside the domain of the Telco’s.
First-Mile service providers are in a quandary - what business do they want to be in. Are they pure play bandwidth providers or is bandwidth simply the means to deliver other services?
/tom |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by tschmidt :said by Matt : What happened to the innovative minds at Bell that produced all the wonderful technology of the 50's, 60's and 70's? What happened in the 70's to turn the company in the direction it's currently in? I disagree a little with your analysis. It is true Bell Labs produced incredible innovation. However innovation was not about new products but rather ability to deliver the same product at lower price. Deregulation has its share of problems but it has resulted in a lot of innovation, that innovation occurred outside the domain of the Telco’s. First-Mile service providers are in a quandary - what business do they want to be in. Are they pure play bandwidth providers or is bandwidth simply the means to deliver other services? /tom I was referring more to their Skunkworks-type research divisions that resulted in things like the discovery of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation.
Your point is very valid however. |
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jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
·surpasshosting
 ·ViaTalk
| reply to Matt
said by Matt :What happened in the 70's to turn the company in the direction it's currently in? The 60s. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to sousademiami
Re: I don't get it!
The big problem is the "I pay for mine" section- ISPs realize that their payment model is based on an internet connection not always used and for text and pictures, not things like Flash and video.
The problem is that the existing competition makes significantly raising prices or lowering speeds to what can be offered more realistically very difficult, which is what competition is supposed to do. They therefore looked at the website owners as easier targets, as well as things like caps, where they can still advertise higher speeds but make sure the people aren't using them too much. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | reply to Dogfather
Because the ISP's also sell things like TV and voice, and get big bucks for them. When Google/YouTube offer things over IP that cannabalize those services, the ISP's want to be compensated with a cut of the action. |
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