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 |  CoronaIt's cool, I'm takin it backPremium
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| Re: Let the union bashing begin! "can you hear me now"?
sorry, couldn't resist. | |
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| |  NOCManMacChatterPremium
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Let the union bashing begin! That's Verizon Wireless which is non union.. | |
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1 edit | Re: Let the union bashing begin! So, why are they wanting to strike??? Did I miss something? | |
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| Re: Let the union bashing begin! said by DaMaGeINC:So, why are they wanting to strike??? Did I miss something? from the article
"Wages, health care, work rules and protection of union jobs are at the forefront of the negotiations for the workers, who insist they will fight to secure a contract with no give backs on health care. Verizon’s employees are among a dwindling group of workers that do not have to contribute to health plans." | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Let the union bashing begin! same old union
more more more do not give anything up
in the article the union says they gave up a percentage of pay raises to continue free healthcare. if it were that fair than they should just keep there normal pay raises instead and pay for their healthcare benefits too
cant have that though, because they know they have a sweet deal now | |
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|  CabalPremium
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Austin, TX | Why stop them? The sooner Verizon goes the way of GM, the better. | |
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Reisterstown, MD | Re: Let the union bashing begin! Unions did not ruin GM, poor management and engineering ran GM into the ground. Then once they had no money left due to mis-management the company pointed the finger at the union labor. | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Let the union bashing begin! Wages did not help things. paying someone 65 dollars an hour to put bumpers on a car for 12 hours a day is quite expensive.
Shit I'd do that for that kind of money. Who needs to work on networks when I can just turn a wrench for 40% more money and predictable hours.
Either way Japan is now using robots to do this which adds to their profitability. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Let the union bashing begin! in my opinion both are at fault
managments lack of vision
unions lack of give anything up, demand more more more
in the end the company may just be out of business and then they are both in trouble | |
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San Francisco, CA | »www.urbandictionary.com/define.p···rm=union
an association that uses thuggery, hooliganism, bribery and blackmail to get the wage level raised above its true value for lazy workers. group of people who take breaks and several lunches throughout the day. | |
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| | | | Re: Let the union bashing begin! "Urban Dictionary"......... | |
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| hope it goes long hope it goes long for them
at&t is due 2009 and they are planning a very very very long strike
budgets are being slashed
travel is cut
prepare for giving up your free ride healthcare union | |
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| | | Re: hope it goes long no its prepare to give up nice cushy jobs sitting around all day riding in a truck or spending 20 minutes at a customer's house in the drive way doing nothing but talking on the phone. | |
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| | | | Re: hope it goes long Never had a tech job, I see. | |
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| Re: hope it goes long come to Ohio and see the way ATT works. I've seen several techs sit at McD's for easily 2 hours. I had one tech at my house before for 20 minutes to fix an outside wiring issue. he spent 20minutes in the truck in the drive way before he got out on his company paid phone.
But then again you work for ATT and the union i'm sure you get the same treatment but probably claim you don't. | |
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kudos:10 | Re: hope it goes long where do you think they do paperwork? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: hope it goes long it doesnt take you 20minutes to write down what you did. BEFORE the visit. This was seen BEFORE the visit and you don't do your paper work staring out the window. | |
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kudos:10 | Re: hope it goes long doing tests on the line from the office, re-reading trouble shooting notes from other dept., checking/replying to e-mails/voicemail, signing off on previous orders.
So he sat in the car staring out the window not doing anything? uhuh.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: hope it goes long yep. because you don't do that while starying out the window while talking on the phone. | |
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kudos:10 | Re: hope it goes long said by hottboiinnc:yep. because you don't do that while starying out the window while talking on the phone. said by JammerMan79:doing tests on the line from the office, re-reading trouble shooting notes from other dept., checking/replying to e-mails/voicemail, signing off on previous orders. So he sat in the car staring out the window not doing anything? uhuh. huh?
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| said by hottboiinnc:I've seen several techs sit at McD's for easily 2 hours. I wonder why you were sitting in McDonalds for 2 hours monitoring AT&T employees. Free wifi? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: hope it goes long they don't have free wifi anymore here.
But no I used to live near a Mc D's. And i used to live next to another fast food joint where ATT would hang out at all the time. | |
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can i get w/ fries w/ that? | |
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|  batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ | said by hope :
prepare for giving up your free ride healthcare union
FREE? Did you ever work for a living? There is no free lunch. | |
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| | | | Re: hope it goes long No free lunch = wave goodbye to free health care. | |
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| | | batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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| Re: hope it goes long said by insomniac84:No free lunch = wave goodbye to free health care. You don't have a clue do you. There is no free health care unless you still live with your mother. | |
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| | | | wish you could read batterup
free ride healthcare was what I said
I never said they don't work just that maybe they should pay their fair share like the management does | |
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| | | | | Re: hope it goes long You don't understand the idea of inherit costs? Their fair share is factored into their pay scale. | |
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| | | | | | Re: hope it goes long said by bogey780:You don't understand the idea of inherit costs? Their fair share is factored into their pay scale. so they get $30-$40 an hour and don't have to pay a dime for their healthcare too
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| | | | | | | Re: hope it goes long Those days ARE over.
The big corporations are going to bail out soon. And their "Health Care Trust Funds" will be gone right along with them. (The money was never there to begin with.) | |
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| | | | said by batterup:said by hope :
prepare for giving up your free ride healthcare union
FREE? Did you ever work for a living? There is no free lunch. No, I inherited lots of money and am an Industrial Psychologist. Now, as an industrial psychologist, I don't do a lot and get a lot of money. Just consult. I will agree that Healthcare is the primary issue. I advise clients to offer different plans, different deductibles, and different premiums. And, yes, I've broken 2 unions. Lawyers as union breakers are on their way out for nice, nice people that can bulls@#$ through a minefield.
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hope it goes long for them
at&t is due 2009 and they are planning a very very very long strike
budgets are being slashed
travel is cut
prepare for giving up your free ride healthcare union
Goodluck! AT&T wants to BREAK the union and may just allow a long, long strike to do it. AT&T could handle a 30 day strike easy. After 30 days, that's when it gets tricky. Unions usually cave when management doesn't care anyway. Right, SBC employee?
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| | | | Re: hope it goes long yes they do want to break the union
2004 strike was 3-4 days and the company gave them everything they wanted
they told management then that 2009 was going to be different
cwa and ibew members better start saving now. gas food clothing is going up up up and dont forget about those back union dues you will owe from being out on strike too
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| | | | | Re: hope it goes long There is big shift coming in November. The pendulum is starting to swing to the other side as always happens in US politics. Wal-Mart is already afraid of Obama see drudgereport. People who hate unions should learn American history. Andrew Carnegie gave his fortune away trying to wash the blood off his hands from all those, men and boys, who died in his hellish steel mills. | |
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| | JammerMan79Premium,VIP
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1 edit | 30 day strike is long? HA... 2 years ago we were locked out for 4 months. With picket pay and picking up a second job financially I was fine. Working 60 hrs a week, tired, but financially ok. The only reason we (as a union) didn't get what we wanted was the company managed to get a bunch of members to cross the picket line.
good luck to the Verizon members stay strong and you'll win
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| batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ | Oh BTW no strike and Verizon and the Unions are happy. Two out of three is not bad. | |
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1 edit | Lock 'em out! Time to do the Toledo Blade way--lock 'em out and move on!
or do it the easy way--- start using outsourced contractors to install FiOS! The US doesn't need unions.
But then again VZ and ATT won't do that- too much of a chicken shit to lock the unions out. | |
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"Workers say the newly announced NYC FiOS plan gives them added leverage, as the company doesn't want install schedules disrupted."
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»www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.···ormation
The percentage of Verizon’s revenue that comes from union operations has shrunk to 30% this year, compared with 70% in 2002, according to the union. Looks like room for negotiation on both sides. The union will probably settle for a small yearly increase(3 or 4%/yr) over a 3 yr contract. What they probably won't get is job security as Verizon sends more work to non-union contractors.
Verizon can buy off the existing union employees with some modest pay increases and at the same time keep reducing the number of union workers thru retirement and usual attrition. The union leadership won't like that, but the union workers will probably go along with such a scenario.
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| | Hurt Everyone? Hmmm... this could effect Verizon everywhere even the west because Verizon is based in New York. Am I correct or will it only effect the NYC area? | |
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| | | Re: Hurt Everyone? From Massachusetts to Virginia at least. | |
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| | | trust me. we will make sure the whole country feels the pinch on this one.
btw, making a sh*tl*st as i read through some of your comments.
fsc wants to drop in a late trouble. eff-em.
management needs someone to sit in while they work the strike out east - eff-em.
some of you suckers think any scab can walk in and run this operation.
sure, it takes any scab to plug in an stb, but there's a little more than goes on to keep fios up and running than you might think. | |
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| | | | Re: Hurt Everyone? you are makeing a shitlist based on what is posted here?
lol union thug. gonna come around with a baseball bat next week and enforce your justice too? | |
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| | oh yes the hourly people are the reason the company goe bankrupt. not because of piss poor management. my union still has power and basically it prevents us from getting hurt and the company from bending us over and screwing us. for example getting a promotion because you sit on the bosses nut does not work. they tried the non union plant and only difference is you get fired because you pissed off some asshole..
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San Francisco, CA | Re: oh yes said by i1me2ao:the hourly people are the reason the company goe bankrupt. not because of piss poor management. my union still has power and basically it prevents us from getting hurt and the company from bending us over and screwing us. for example getting a promotion because you sit on the bosses nut does not work. they tried the non union plant and only difference is you get fired because you pissed off some asshole.. i hereby and solemnly declare, +1 | |
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| Some of us didn't... 1. I didn't vote for the strike. The overall anti-union environment (as evidenced by postings here) present in the US today would give BOTH the company and the union black eyes. When the stock market folks are breathing down our necks about how we're doing this year, a strike will do NOBODY any good.
2. Cushy job talking on the phone...I have been at a customer's premises in my NON-AIR CONDITIONED 9 YEAR OLD TRUCK on a day like today talking to th dispatch center when my company issued laptop stops working so I can close out the job and find out where I'm going next. I might talk to my wife, but only if she calls me.
3. Some of us still take pride in our work. Non-union vs. union, who does the better work? For the most part, no difference. Depends on how you feel, opinions are like a certain body part. I wish my local cable provider (not VZ, because it's not available here yet) would have sent someone who spoke better english......
4. Yes, this is standard posturing in my opinion. In 2003, the contract expiration came and went, no strike. We worked under the terms of the old contract while the current one was hammered out, 5 days later as I recall. Similar posturing occurs on the company's part, by saying they've prepared their managers to work the workload. I don't know how well they've trained them for FiOS, there's only a couple I know (one of whom was in the craft with me before he took the tie) that could really do the job. By the same token, I wouldn't put it past the company to lock us out.
5. I am not against having to pay for some of my health care, just not all of it. Rumor has it that this is settled, though....
'Nuff said. I'm on vacation the first week of the potential strike anyway, so we'll see where we're at on August 10th.
Here's hoping I get to go back to work on the 11th instead of the picket line. I get a paystub every Thursday that says "Brought to you by our customers", and I still believe it.
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kudos:4 | Exhorbinate pay rates if NY was a right to work state, it'd take more than one full time job to be able to afford to live there.
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Reisterstown, MD | Verizon ain't just fios installs First off, phone work is not cushy work-- try being a lineman for a day, a construction splicer, a cable maintenance tech or any outside plant job. The work is hard, the environment is hazardous. We work in the air, on poles, in confined spaces, pits, in the rain, the heat..... Every body that rants about what we make and the benefits we have seem to forget that in the past 18 months 7 of us died on the job. Unions are more about safety than the money and perks for some of us. A large part of the history of utility unions and unions in general have been advancing safety. Don't believe me look up the stats for cell tower worker fatalities-- most of them are non union contractor and they are under pressure to do it quick. Some phone work can not be done quick-- I have had jobs we worked on for years due to the scope and complexity of the job. Speed not only kills it creates service outages.
As for those saying fire us and replace us with contractors-- it take years to become skilled enough to work on "the network". The installers you see at your house make a mistake your out of service, the techs on the back end make a mistake entire regions can be dropped.
Fios as neat as it is not the cutting edge technology of the Verizon network. Things are much more sophisticated than hanging a drop and an ont on a house-- hooking up a stb and tapping out a few commands on a laptop. There is a massive amount of tech and equipment involved in moving things around between Verizon sites let a loan the amount of equipment Verizon has on government and big business premises. | |
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| | VZ The company always folds, they dont want the roll out of fios interrupted. In 2000 the company folded then as they will now. | |
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| | | Re: VZ There neglecting the copper thats on reason. | |
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| | Future of Verizon Techs is... Contract centers. I know. I work for one. You are going to get people shoved through with 1/3rd the training for 1/3rd the pay of the normal Verizon Centers. Expect 1/3 the quality as verizon off's their union workers as they can get 3 of us 'scabs' for 1 of their normal techs with slightly worse training on our end. | |
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| | | Re: Future of Verizon Techs is... ...And no pesky benefits to provide. | |
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| | unions did ruin GM US Steel and every other business sector US Steel 13 week vacations for union workers where is our steel industry now...overseas...auto industry union workers and union officials demand demand demand...poor quaility work expensive to purchase and maintain...where is our auto industry now....overseas or being built here by foriegn companies with US workers and NO unions..less expensive, better quality and cheaper to maintian...unions have outlived their usefullness keep supporting unions andkeep watching competion overseas take everything away.
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| | | Re: unions did ruin GM US Steel and every other business sector said by union1 :
US Steel 13 week vacations for union workers where is our steel industry now...overseas...auto industry union workers and union officials demand demand demand...poor quaility work expensive to purchase and maintain...where is our auto industry now....overseas or being built here by foriegn companies with US workers and NO unions..less expensive, better quality and cheaper to maintian...unions have outlived their usefullness keep supporting unions andkeep watching competion overseas take everything away.
IDIOTS!!!!!
How about looking at the truth and seeing all of the millions top heavy management execs make for running a company into the ground because they close and outsource call centers to India where Americans cannot get satisfactory service, or where they force lower level management to work for less money and benefits so they can get increased bonuses every year. How about the cheaper supplies they continue to buy that they know won't work only to make wall street happy.
The whole damned problem in this country is that no one knows why they have it so good and think the union is the bad guy because that is what management fills their head with.
Less than a dozen of Verizon execs made 80 million last year in salary, not including bonuses. They also get free health care for life. I guess unions are to blame for them making disgusting amounts of money too eh? The company made nearly 6 billion dollars in profit last year and the workers that made that happen aren't supposed to get any of the pie only execs are?
Health care is a problem in this country, and instead of seeing the bigger picture, it's the typical selfish response of "it's not fair if I don't get it so I'll ruin it for everyone else". How about complaining that Congress gets benefits for life along with execs that really didn't do a damn thing to deserve half of what they get? Stand up for others and do something to make it better for everyone instead of screwing over everyone else for one. | |
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| | | | Re: unions did ruin GM US Steel and every other business sector I can see it now.. The young kids at the local McD's wanting unions. Paying the 16 year old $18+/hr to flip burgers. | |
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| | | | | The Union As I see it, Verizon has a lot of new product campaigns that they are starting and we, the skilled workers of the company, play a very important roll in these new products. Also, we play a large role in the upkeep of the system. At this moment in time, there are a lot of people ordering fios and we already have a need for more skilled "union" workers to make the fios system run a little smoother. I just want all the union bashers to call in on August 3rd(if we strike that is) and try to get assistance with your FIOS service. I want you to try to get a field tech or get some support for your internet. See how long it takes and for those of you calling to for technical support see how you do when you get to talk to contractors. We as the "skilled" Verizon employees, end up fixing all of the mistakes that these contractors are making so that you can get your services. We may have a big request list, but these are all things that should have been taken care of earlier for the most part. Oh, well, fios customers, I apologize in advance for the trouble you are going to go through if we strike, but when we get back, we will do what we have always done and get you back on the right track. | |
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| | | | | | Re: The Union I totally agree, all you have to do is look up 2003 we walked the line for a short amout of time installs were pushed back 7 weeks and repairs were back by three weeks, right now I can have a tech there in 2 days max. so go ahead and call in and realize that you will have some one to talk too, which will be supervisiors and management who if they gave a shit they would be sitting at there desks telling us to send a tech or advise to call back when they have reloaded there operation system on there computer. BUT they just went thru a crash course on FIOS systems some come from the 411 centers that we know they type a # and info comes up. FIOS is alot of items and does take time thats why your not even with the company till after 6 months on the phones. training is still going on, strike is in less then 7 days SEE THE ISSUE so go ahead and says Union this and Union that guess what aUnion Built the USA and people like you who are saying crap about us are killing it. | |
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| | | Re: August 2 1159PM was that a coherrent thought in youre little head?
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| | i see the people still do half assed research for opinions The situation with unions is a complex one. It is not true that unions ruin companies. Bad unions might by making bad decisions, but the same can be said of bad management.
Your opinions need to be more reasoned.
Arguments over techs sitting at a fast food spot clocking $30/hr are easily countered by corporate execs playing golf and clocking 23 million.
Likewise, non union jobs are not better than union jobs and plenty of contractors do poor work.
Overall I'm sure more non-union businesses fail yearly than union based organizations (most of which have been around for a long time, kinda proving its not just a union problem that makes a company fail)
Don't get me wrong I have an ax to grind against the union myself.
This ain't 1955 and the union charter desperately needs to be changed. But business thinking needs to change to.
There is nothing wrong with a little stability for men and women to raise their families. The corporations needs to start caring about the people of this great country more and their wallets a little less.
getting millions and millions for attending half a dozen meetings a year and being catered to does not help the US middle class any more the union inefficiency. | |
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