ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA |  Just cuttin out the middlemen
No need for all these hands in the pot. |
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tiger9
join:2005-08-01
Ont,Canada | Yeah, right  Never mind that GAS/5410 is a regulated, shared (to competitors) service JUST like the local loop to your house is, and is subject to regulations. |
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hurleyp
join:2000-06-20
Ottawa, ON | CRTC
CRTC = Canadian Roadblock to Telecommunications Competition
The CRTC and the big telcos are in each other's back pockets so why would things be any different?
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | reply to tiger9
Re: Just cuttin out the middlemen
I forgot, this is Canada we're talking aboot.
Plus mains dans le pot. |
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greendragon
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join:2003-09-20
Stewartville, MN | Biting the hand that feeds you...
I agree with the independents.
I don't think it's a good idea for them to piss off the decision makers, " so, unless the decision makers have been bought".
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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 ·Comcast
|  TekSavvy wants no throttling of anyone
The only problem with TekSavvy's filing is that the result would be that Bell couldn't even throttle its own customers.
So what TekSavvy is fighting for is not that its customers be treated equally with Bell's customers. He wants either a network re-architecture or no throttling of anyone. Sounds very democratic, but not very practical when networks are being flooded by video traffic.
And the reason the throttling is done at the local level is not to cause TekSavvy some competitive disadvantage, but because that is where the bottlenecks are.
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bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD
| said by TKJunkMail  :So what TekSavvy is fighting for is not that its customers be treated equally with Bell's customers. He wants either a network re-architecture or no throttling of anyone. Sounds very democratic, but not very practical when networks are being flooded by video traffic. Actually, from what I've seen TekSavvy simply wants the ability to offer non-throttled service to his customers, as per the original agreement he had with Bell. I'm guessing he doesn't really care how that happens, so long as it does. Whatever Bell needs to do to provide that service is not his problem. If they want to throttle their own customers they are welcome to do that, but they will have to figure how to do so without impacting their wholesale customers. That's Bells problem to figure out.
said by TKJunkMail :And the reason the throttling is done at the local level is not to cause TekSavvy some competitive disadvantage, but because that is where the bottlenecks are. Correction - that's where Bell is CLAIMING the bottlenecks are. They have yet to show any documentation proving that there is, in fact, high levels of network congestion that would require throttling. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by bbenso1 :Correction - that's where Bell is CLAIMING the bottlenecks are. They have yet to show any documentation proving that there is, in fact, high levels of network congestion that would require throttling. The doc posted here at BBR previously and that I looked at indicates significant congestion. TekSavvy and some others say that level of congestion is not significant. I disagree.
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
·Bright House
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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Re: Biting the hand that feeds you...
If you're implying the CRTC? It's Liberal dominated, there are a few new Conservative members that have recently gotten posts. The main reason why is the Liberal party held power for so long they could put people literally everywhere and continue to run everything as they see fit despite being 'out' of power in a minority government.
Count on top with Bell, and tossing in the buyout with a dose of Liberal politics. Well...you better bet people are going to bite back. It usually takes a long time for Canadians to get cranky over something, in this case? You bet.
There are a few things you don't play with up here, oddly the internet is becoming one of them. |
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travisc
join:2001-11-09
Port Perry, ON | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: TekSavvy wants no throttling of anyone
You're about the only one that seems to disagree... But that's your role on DSLR, isn't it? |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
·Mediacom
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :said by bbenso1 :Correction - that's where Bell is CLAIMING the bottlenecks are. They have yet to show any documentation proving that there is, in fact, high levels of network congestion that would require throttling. The doc posted here at BBR previously and that I looked at indicates significant congestion. TekSavvy and some others say that level of congestion is not significant. I disagree. then may be i dont know but they should ether A. upgrade there network
or b. not sell so much to 3rd partys?
oh wait that would mean spending money or not making as much |
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bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :The doc posted here at BBR previously and that I looked at indicates significant congestion. TekSavvy and some others say that level of congestion is not significant. I disagree. You are, of course, free to disagree with anyone's opinion. However, what qualifications do you have to make an educated statement regarding network usage/congestion levels? Do you work or have any training in the network design/maintenance field?
TekSavvy and I both do. How about you? |
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zalternate
join:2007-02-22
BC
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| CRTC = Censorship
Did you know that the CRTC does not regulate the internet in Canada? Yet they seem to act like they can actually do something about companies like Bell and Rogers throttling and censoring the internet in Canada. Like Rogers Modifying their DNS servers to redirect users to a new ad's search page.
Try to file a complaint to the CRTC about your internet connection and get a reply of "We do not regulate the internet in Canaduh, so pizz off".
Rogers got rich by censoring American television stations in Canada. Bell gets rich by doing whatever they want.
Canada's Commissioner for complaints of Telecommunication services. A token complaints entity.
»www.ccts-cprst.ca/en/ |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| reply to bbenso1
Re: TekSavvy wants no throttling of anyone
said by bbenso1 :said by TKJunkMail :The doc posted here at BBR previously and that I looked at indicates significant congestion. TekSavvy and some others say that level of congestion is not significant. I disagree. You are, of course, free to disagree with anyone's opinion. However, what qualifications do you have to make an educated statement regarding network usage/congestion levels? Do you work or have any training in the network design/maintenance field? TekSavvy and I both do. How about you? I was a system programmer; data communications programmer; network designer(I designed a 23 state network for a major railroad); telecomm/datacomm MGR; telecomm/datacomm Director before I retired. I am not unfamiliar with the concepts and tools that measure network congestion.
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
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said by TKJunkMail :said by bbenso1 :Correction - that's where Bell is CLAIMING the bottlenecks are. They have yet to show any documentation proving that there is, in fact, high levels of network congestion that would require throttling. The doc posted here at BBR previously and that I looked at indicates significant congestion. TekSavvy and some others say that level of congestion is not significant. I disagree. Ah yes, must be that obvious evidence that nobody else but Bell and corporate shills like you seem to notice.
Adi |
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bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :I was a system programmer; data communications programmer; network designer(I designed a 23 state network for a major railroad); telecomm/datacomm MGR; telecomm/datacomm Director before I retired. I am not unfamiliar with the concepts and tools that measure network congestion. Okay, so given your background, at what level does congestion become 'significant'? |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
| reply to adisor19
said by adisor19 :Ah yes, must be that obvious evidence that nobody else but Bell and corporate shills like you seem to notice. Adi Every time the accusation of industry shill is trotted out, this will be the reply:
"This mode of reasoning is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem: attacking the person presenting the argument, instead of pointing out a flaw in their actual argument. It's a fallacy because even if the criticism of the person is true, his argument may still be valid. You can only tell if the argument is valid by examining the actual argument to see if it is actually valid.
Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It's a substitute for thinking. It's also 100% flawed reasoning: you don't arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented."
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
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said by TKJunkMail :said by bbenso1 :Correction - that's where Bell is CLAIMING the bottlenecks are. They have yet to show any documentation proving that there is, in fact, high levels of network congestion that would require throttling. The doc posted here at BBR previously and that I looked at indicates significant congestion. TekSavvy and some others say that level of congestion is not significant. I disagree. The congestion has actually gone UP since they implemented throttling. Did your wife switch your reading glasses with the rose colored ones again? 
Additionally, they could throttle at step 4, but it's pretty obvious they are throttling at step 3 to eliminate a competitive threat. Can't have those pesky unlimited customer eating into Bell impending TV service now can we? |
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sporkme
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
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said by TKJunkMail :I was a system programmer; data communications programmer; network designer(I designed a 23 state network for a major railroad); telecomm/datacomm MGR; telecomm/datacomm Director before I retired. I am not unfamiliar with the concepts and tools that measure network congestion. And if you were doing all that at a high level, then you know that if someone came in and audited your network and all they'd show you was a powerpoint presentation with some very vague numbers in it, you'd likely tell them to please give you the raw data before you drew any conclusions or spent another dime, right? |
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the cerberus
join:2007-10-16
Richmond Hill, ON
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Re: Just cuttin out the middlemen
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