jc100
join:2002-04-10 | Technology advancement is great BUT
Doesn't this city read the news to see how many tens of city wifi projects have costs millions, but failed terribly? I'm sure this will be another such case in a few years if that. |
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DoRight
join:2007-07-20
Mechanicsburg, PA
1 edit | Good for Clearwire
This will just add to Clearwire's development when they build the Atlanta network. More cities should do this to help companies build their networks and help the communities also in their Muni-Wimax needs.. |
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wimaxxxerrr
@assurant.com
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Re: Technology advancement is great BUT
Muni WiFi fails because it's a technology designed for 300' radius. WiMAX is made for this. I feel sorry for cities suckered into using WiFi for a city-wide deployment. WiMAX is now ready and is the way to go. Being new it will of course have it's challenges, but you don't move forward until someone takes the first step. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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said by jc100  :Doesn't this city read the news to see how many tens of city wifi projects have costs millions, but failed terribly? I'm sure this will be another such case in a few years if that. I tend to believe that most muni efforts are a big waste of time (and I have said so many times), however this is a slightly better scenario. All the failed muni efforts have attempted to blanket hundreds (and in some cases thousands) of square miles with a wifi; a technology designed for in home use. Wimax on the other hand is meant for large, outdoor deployments and is much better suited for something like this. However, the fact that its a muni deployment might just doom it from the start, unless some real planning goes into it.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | government only?
So this is a network for only government usage?
If not, what on earth is the advantage of this clearwire "muni" wimax network vs a commercial clearwire wimax network? |
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LordFlux
join:2005-04-20
Warner Robins, GA
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| reply to wimaxxxerrr
Re: Technology advancement is great BUT
said by wimaxxxerrr :
I feel sorry for cities suckered into using WiFi for a city-wide deployment.
Agreed. Dublin, Georgia is one of those cities. The town received a $318,750 grant from GTA... the city chipped in with an additional $159,375 grant. So far, they have WiFi downtown and plan to spread it across 40% of the city by 2009. ( »www.gmanet.com/Paper.aspx?CNID=23944 ) |
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jslik
That just happened
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join:2006-03-17
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Re: government only?
said by patcat88 :So this is a network for only government usage? If not, what on earth is the advantage of this clearwire "muni" wimax network vs a commercial clearwire wimax network? No offense, but read the article first....
"The system will be subscription-based with several different price categories for Milledgeville consumers. Another advantage of Milledgeville’s contract with Clearwire is that consumers in the Milledgeville area will be able to access the wireless system in any of the 46 markets Clearwire services."
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | reply to patcat88
I suppose the advantage is that the city gets deployed now, rather than at some uncertain point on Clearwire's timetable, plus the city has some influence in pricing and regulation that they would not have had otherwise. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by jslik :No offense, but read the article first.... "The system will be subscription-based with several different price categories for Milledgeville consumers. Another advantage of Milledgeville’s contract with Clearwire is that consumers in the Milledgeville area will be able to access the wireless system in any of the 46 markets Clearwire services." Still doesn't answer my questions. Will there be any price difference between muni Clearwire WiMAX and commercial Clearwire WiMAX? Equipment will be compatible and roaming. So I assume no price difference.
Actually, I can't even see how this is even an accomplishment for Clearwire. This deal doesn't come with spectrum as far as I can tell, so Clearwire will be using their existing spectrum. Also there is some allusion to the government using the "deal" to get something for itself. The article doesn't say anything about the govt using Clearwire's network, just new laptops for squad cars and an unspecified wireless backhaul network. This looks like some lame marketing/PR/politicians giving speaches at a press conference at a podium and getting photo ops, between the local town and Clearwire to get the town's govt to qualify for some porkbarrel state funded grant and they need to have a "network partner" to qualify.
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Public safety was one of the fundamental applications proposed in the city’s grant. Bentley said the primary use of the wireless service will be computer-aided dispatch for emergency response personnel. The Milledgeville Police Department will allot part of its technology budget to the purchase of laptop computers so officers will have more efficient and effective access to the Georgia Crime Information Center while on patrol.
Also some money will be going to Clearwire to build the network ($30,000), and Clearwire will have to provide low income discounts for the internet service.
Why doesn't Clearwire just build the network without the local govt's help? Clearwire already owns the spectrum, and is licensed by the FCC and the state PUC to be a cellular provider and lease/built towers like any other cellphone operator. What, this town has a no cellphone towers zoning code rule or something that they are willing to lift for Clearwire? |
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dBandHz
@comcast.net
| Irony
Does anoyone else find it ironic that OTA, radio, wireless or whatever term you prefer was, up until maybe 10 years ago considered an obselete technology from the perspective of TV and radio stations when compared to landline technologies? Cable, DSL and equivalents for a long time were (and in some cases, still are) considered to be the way of the future - this was a result of the content they delivered, Internet, better (arguable) programming etc. - now wireless is back in the forefront because it can deliver the same content. Truth is, it always could except the FCC smokes way too much crack.
Clearly wireless communication is superior in so many ways. I just think it's funny that the same technology that is associated with OTA and crappy/limited programming is now back in the forefront of communications. Wireless P2P and P2MP links can reach full duplex speeds of 800+ Mbps (bundle 'em and you have redundant fiber-like links, minus the expense of laying a fiber ring).
The more things change, the more they stay the same... |
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DSLbyAir
Premium,MVM
join:2003-04-10
Ocean Springs, MS | reply to EPS
Re: government only?
Does anyone know of any Wimax system that is working on a large scale? I do not. |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY | uhm... CLEARWIRE??
BTW:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_De···networks
You're welcome........ |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
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Re: Irony
Hm, the problem is that as wireless starts to catch up with DSL and DOCSIS 1.1, new wireline technologies like DOCSIS 3, VDSL, and BPON/GPON will continue to make wireline superior in capacity.
The question is if we're reaching the point where that capacity becomes irrelevant, and wireless' always-on and wider coverage areas give it the advantage- this is already happening with phone service, since people are willing to put up with the lower sound quality (which isn't even always the case) of a cell phone and drop landlines altogether for telephone... |
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amedj
@ibm.com
| failure for two reasons
past cities that implemented a muni wifi failed for serveral reason
1) User of Wifi: like other mentioned wifi is not meant to span cities, they have a low radius of 300 meter unless you plan to setup a bridge. All of with will cost $$$. Cities should instead look forward to new technologies like Wimax or LTE, they initial cost may be more but the maintenance is alot cheaper
2) Wrong vision: many cities have a vision of a free muni-wireless. This will not work unless you plan to role out extensive advertisement which many will find annoying. Instead since the idea of muni-wireless is new, we need to have a vision aimed towards business venture. Let them cover the cost
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Gene Yuss
@rr.com | Ummm, WiMAX aint WIFi folks
The city made a boneheaded decision to give money to a company that was already going to build WiMAX there. Might as well get yourself some WiFi and make it free. That model indeed works. |
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