TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
1 edit |  Sounds like a viable mid term strategy
Costs are much lower than FTTP and yet can deliver high speeds for years to come. And also has the benefit of being a step toward FTTP by pushing fiber much closer to the houses. |
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ontarioGuy
@grouptelecom.net
| Re: Sound like a viable mid term strategy
No stating which company but Videotron is not the first to do this in canada, I know of another cable company already implimenting this however I do not think it was made public.....alll I know is new builds will be done this way, as far as the remaining plant, slowly.... |
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ztmike
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | Caps=Cheap ISP
Can someone please tell me why they even bother with 30mbps+ with CAPS? 30-50GB is just absurd.
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | ... not exactly new.
I believe Mountain Cable in Hamilton has been using something like this since they rebuilt their network several years ago. Their node sizes are generally 75-150 homes per node, or at least that's what I've read. |
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY
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50Mbps per second at a cost of $1.50 per GB. My decidedly rough math puts that at about $0.50/minute.
Uhhmm, sorry guys. If you really need that kind of money to see a decent profit then the service is just more expensive than I can afford. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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·Callcentric
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| reply to ztmike
Re: Caps=Cheap ISP
said by ztmike  :Can someone please tell me why they even bother with 30mbps+ with CAPS? Rate and quantity are not necessarily directly related. If they raise the speed limit on the road I take to work, it doesn't mean that I drive further to go to work -- it means my trip to the office is completed faster. |
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY | reply to ztmike
~$0.50/minute is why. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| basically FIOS
They are approaching FIOS in node density.
GPON is 64 users share a channel, BPON is 32 users, this is 125, very close. Remember not all houses will subscribe to cable.
Only problem coax can't scale like fiber. Try to do DWDM on a coax  |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to ztmike
Re: Caps=Cheap ISP
It's not absurd for a large number of consumers. I consider myself an "active" user of my connection and I routinely average 20 GB/mth, so 30-50 GB is great. Now, the reason for 30+ Mbps connections with caps is to allow customers to do what they need to do in a efficient manner while controlling the hogs that have a potential to crush the network. For example, I wish that I had 30+ Mbps last night when I downloaded Xcode at ~1 GB. I could have cut my 15 minute download time to less than 5 minutes. |
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espaeth
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Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to patcat88
Re: basically FIOS
said by patcat88 :Only problem coax can't scale like fiber. Try to do DWDM on a coax Coax has been able to do frequency division multiplexing since the beginning. (aka channels)
It's the same thing except in the RF spectrum instead of the light spectrum. |
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Andalso
@tds.net
| reply to espaeth
Re: Caps=Cheap ISP
said by espaeth :said by ztmike :Can someone please tell me why they even bother with 30mbps+ with CAPS? Rate and quantity are not necessarily directly related. If they raise the speed limit on the road I take to work, it doesn't mean that I drive further to go to work -- it means my trip to the office is completed faster. And also you can go more places that you need to go in that time. Why make it a toll road? |
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SterlingJ85
Obama 2008
join:2000-11-19
Millville, NJ | reply to espaeth
Re: basically FIOS
Yes, but copper plants (telco or cable) are also more expensive to maintain than fiber facilities.
I'm waiting for one cable company to just say we're going fiber too!
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| genius
After reading about Aurora's technology, I love it. Its basically a DWDM fiber system where you can fill each wavelength with whatever service you want. You can run (B/G?)PON, HFC, 100FX and 1000LX on the same backhaul fiber and out of the same "node" by putting the right cards/modules in it. There are also daisy chaining of fiber schemes so you don't need to run more backhaul fiber.
Another interesting approach is to digitally sample the analog RF upstream of the HFC plant into a digital signal and then put the digital signal on the backhaul fiber (saves alot of bandwidth I guess).
Upgrading to PON or some FTTH scheme with this system as as simple as running fiber from the node to the house, users who don't need the fiber still stay on the coax plant. |
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funchords
Hello
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | reply to espaeth
Re: basically FIOS
Does FIOS leak (ingress and egress) light like Cable leaks RF? I'm assuming not but I'm not sure. |
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elbm
join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to espaeth
Coax has been able to do frequency division multiplexing since the beginning And the Bell System has been doing frequency multiplexing over copper since 1919. Not that anyone cares.  |
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TilhasBB
Formally Goden99
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join:2000-08-05
canada
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Sounds like a viable mid term strategy
What is the point of having 5000Mbps per second if you have caps of 50GB?
I understand you dont want it to be harassed by "hogs" but put something reasonable like 200GBs
Bell Sympatico is a very nice and friendly company compare to Videotron. I wouldnt switch if it was offered free. |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
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| At 50 cents/minute with the caps
This is the most expensive internet I've seen yet with the worst caps period. Who in the world would pay that much just to have faster internet when the caps are so ridiculous! If I was using the internet at full speed which is what I would use that speed for (VPN between house and work + downloads + and house to ps3 connectivity + P2P) my bandwith would cost 50 cents per minute then even more at 1.00 dollar a minute. I'm sorry but their catering the to ultra elite at that cost and the computer inefficient.
Ripoff |
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HX
@mfcns.com
| wake up ....
Average user can easily go over 50GB a month, if you think of all the services that are or will be available in near future setting a cap on HSI including fiber is ludicrous.
Not everyone is a hog and downloads full HD movies and TBs of MP3s, but we are getting close to times that everything will be shared using internet. To mention few IPTV and VOD, VoIP, Streaming Video even stupid e-mail consumes bandwidth. Putting any type of limitation on that is just plain dumb.
I just hope that our ISPs will wake up in time to realize this.
My 2c |
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TigerLord
Resident Pentaxian
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join:2002-06-09
Montreal | reply to ztmike
Re: Caps=Cheap ISP
Yes it is.
However its only competitor is Symcraptico, so let's just hope they don't anhilate the service quality further down to Bell's levels. |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to pspcrazy
Re: At 50 cents/minute with the caps
said by pspcrazy :This is the most expensive internet I've seen yet with the worst caps period. Who in the world would pay that much just to have faster internet when the caps are so ridiculous! If I was using the internet at full speed which is what I would use that speed for (VPN between house and work + downloads + and house to ps3 connectivity + P2P) my bandwith would cost 50 cents per minute then even more at 1.00 dollar a minute. I'm sorry but their catering the to ultra elite at that cost and the computer inefficient. Ripoff A very small percentage of cable users currently exceed this 50GB cap.
»bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/0···-limits/
If you do, you are a problem, and you need to pay more or switch to a different service that is more lenient and capable of handling that type of load.
I have 3 people that share one 16/2 (plus PowerBoost) connection where I live. I do all of the things you listed, with the exception of P2P. I also constantly stream music, watch way too many videos, download Xbox 360 and PS3 movies/shows/games, and use Skype VOIP several hours (20+) each week. My logs show that I have never exceeded 50GB in one month. The closest I ever came was the month I downloaded a ton of texture/scenery files for Flight Sim X.
Tools must be made available for each customer to accurately track their monthly usage. Also, the limits may need to be increased as the average bandwidth usage increases. If too many people start breaching the cap limit, they should consider increasing the limits or upgrading their network.
What they are trying to prevent is people signing up for this service and maxing out the network all day long. Being a cable company, they probably want to prevent people for downloading a bunch of HD movies and shows that would otherwise compete with their own product. I think what they are offering is reasonable to a large percentage of their demographical customer base.
There is a method behind the madness. |
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