Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D
50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with DSL. |
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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|  Save Taxpayers From Government
Add this to the list of government-run Internet failures. But that's OK, as taxpayers have unlimited funds to cover the costs of these things.
I really hope that Utah and other states learn from these costly mistakes and ban local governments from even contemplating providing luxuries such as Internet service.
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D
They also have a 15mbit symmetrical tier that is unlimited. It just depends on which company you select. However, there needs to be better management done to this network. It's a well thought out idea, with bad planning. It needs to be properly marketed as subscriber numbers are low. Also, they'd fair better by ridding themselves of all caps, for all tiers. Then, they could use this as a marketing tool and acquire people from other ISPS. Let's face it, people need to be educated on why 15-50mbit is better than what they got now. You average joe just assumes being on the internet is fine, so long as he or she longs on. They don't know that better speeds can make for a better experience. |
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PhoenixDown
-- Wants FIOS
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs:   | reply to pnh102
Re: Save Taxpayers From Government
Utopia is a solid project and if they are experiencing a few hiccups on the uptake then its no different than any private business venture. They will sort it out and get it flying I'm sure. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| U-Can paranoia
This is the group that is going to save Utopia?
From U-Can meeting minutes:
»www.freeutopia.org/
One meeting attendee said that he was aware of Qwest and Comcast purposefully planting moles in UTOPIA providers to try and sabotage the companies from within and that this was a primary cause of Mstar’s near-collapse. I know they’re underhanded, but I’m not sure to what extent they’d try and do something quite this dirty. Also they want to add one disaster on top of another:
UTOPIA may look at adding wireless to the fiber backbone, either via 802.11g/n or 802.16 (WiMax).
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moon1234
@tds.net
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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D
I would not signup with a cap in place. I don't care how fast it is. If there is a cap I can not really use all of the bandwidth. I want to hook up my apple tv, watch streaming episodes from the internet and use VoIP. I will not signup with a provider that has caps. It is too similar to being on a per minute cell phone plan. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | Well they do have a 15/15 tier that is unlimited. However, the rest have caps, which I think serves as a huge deterrent. We offer fast speeds, but are no different than the local ISP. That doesn't work well for marketing. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: U-Can paranoia
TK strikes again. I believe every word they say about the moles. Obviously, your lack of understanding for the general world and it's workings has failed to educate you on these "ISP Activist Groups" that attend council meetings. If ISPS are brazen enough to create and employ sham citizen groups, what makes you think they wouldn't stoop as low as to get people to help make these companies collapse? After all, they spent millions fighting their creation (Munis) in the first place. They offer real competition, and these ISPS don't like that. SO yes, I do believe them WELL ABOVE YOU. |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to pnh102
Re: Save Taxpayers From Government
said by pnh102  :Add this to the list of government-run Internet failures. But that's OK, as taxpayers have unlimited funds to cover the costs of these things. I really hope that Utah and other states learn from these costly mistakes and ban local governments from even contemplating providing luxuries such as Internet service. Of course, you ignore the lengthy list of government-run internet successes.... (more then 80 just in the state of Iowa).
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moon1234
@tds.net
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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D
I will take my 16/2 without any caps from my cable company (Charter) any day. At least I don't have to worry about being cutoff/speed limited or charged through the nose for overages. High speeds with caps are no better than having a slow connection.
All caps do is protect the provider’s content from threats to voice and video that exist on the internet. It also stifles the uptick in new emerging technologies. Being able to video conference with Mom and Dad, Grandpa, etc. will only become more common and available with the advent of high speed symmetrical connections. Limiting the bandwidth to a fixed amount will stifle the adoption and innovation of these types of technologies.
Look at how much word of mouth Sprint used to get when their mobile broadband was unlimited. Many mobile applications and innovation were tested and used on Sprint's network first. Now that they have imposed a 5GB cap all of the praise and enthusiasm that I used to hear for Sprint in developer forums is gone.
CAPS are BAD for consumers and emerging technology. There are ways to manage a network fairly without CAPS. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Re: Save Taxpayers From Government
Obviously, you couldn't even prove your case in the last thread, so now you move on to another. Well, I am going to guess your Republican friends are the STAR ROLE of government?
Ted Stevens 200 million dollar bridge to no where anyone?
Bush's record 500 billion deficit for 2008?
Bush's 5.5 Trillion deficit in his 8 years in office?
Regan creating the FIRST even national Deficit and Bush Sr racking it up?
How about the fact we fund Businesses like o.. Fannie Mae, Bear Stearn, etc from collapsing?
Seems to me our government bankrolls everyone for anything. Someone ALWAYS has to pay the bills. Waste is waste, and at least the citizens of Utah got something for their money. The network is solid, the people running it are not. Therefore, like any good company, you stick new ones in charge. That doesn't make it a bad company, it just means its been poorly run. I am sure the right people can turn this around. Then, the citizens of Utah will at least see something for their tax money. This sure beats the hell out of 95 percent of what we give to our government. Both sides waste. Republicans spend and borrow, there by, raising inflation and all other costs. Democrats tax. When you break it down, the numbers always keep adding up. So I take pride in the few projects that are meant to help people. |
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jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to pnh102
If a government project fails, naturally it's the fault of a big bad corporation. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
2 edits | reply to Anon
Re: U-Can paranoia
facts:
A) The Fact Telcos have formed and hired "citizen groups" to attend meetings and sway votes in their favors.
B) The fact that these groups are actually sham groups created by the ISPS and are anything but citizen initiatives.
So where is your proof bud? You offer nothing once again, which doesn't surprise anyone. As they say, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. The ISPS are known for shady dealings, and I wouldn't put it past them to hire insiders to help sabotage something they see as competitive to their market. Corporate Sabotage happens ALL THE TIME. |
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Ganglion
@sbcglobal.net | Agreed. The profits are worth whatever it takes to keep it in private hands. Note the states where telcoms have created and pushed legislation prohibiting municipal and other 'government'(public) broadband. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to jester121
Re: Save Taxpayers From Government
Naturally, it becomes the government's problem to bail out every corporation. At least in this circumstance, it was intended to HELP citizens (rarity) versus shaft us with the bill for someone's bad choices. IE Fannie Mae, Bear, Stearn, etc. |
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bad numbers
@mcleodusa.net
| bad numbers in article
Actually the 50/50 includes 500GB with overages allowed but at a cost (somewhere around 20 cents per GB).
»www.xmission.com/products/connec···/utopia/ |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to jc100
Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D
said by jc100 :Let's face it, people need to be educated on why 15-50mbit is better than what they got now. Maybe the average Joe doesn't need a 15-50 Mbps connection. Bandwidth versus cost has long been a debate regarding consumers Internet access. |
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baineschile
2600
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join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI
·Comcast
 ·magicjack.com
·Verizon Wireless B..
| Just goes to show....
People dont NEED a 50mb connection. Its nice for techies and heavy internet users (less than 1% of the US population), and eventually for small to mid cap business'.
Remember, even though we blog and chat on a website that is heavily broadband informatio based, the general population still doesnt need anything above DSL speeds, if high speed at all (15 million dial up users, still?). |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
·magicjack.com
·BeeCreek Communica..
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| reply to bad numbers
Re: bad numbers in article
Heh, if we're talking premium bandwidth 500GB isn't bad, and neither is 20 cents per gig overage. Of course if they're using COgent they should offer unlimited...that stuff's dirt cheap...
But I'm rooting for whatever cities and such can do to keep muni fiber projects alive, as long as it doesn't ad a huge amount to taxes around there. It's just that Qwest\Comcast are so freakin' evil. What's funny is that's the cable\telco duopoly in the area I go to school and the fastest speed from Qwest is 5/896 and the fastest speed from CCast is 8/2 with a 12 Mbit PowerBoost. Thank goodness I'm near enough to my school to use their WiFi... |
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