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Premium
join:2005-02-11
Davie, FL
1 edit | Re: CAPs We're power users with several PCs online all day, including one on VPN full-time and one on VPN part-time, and I've used 33 GB in 189 days, barely above 5 GB per month. The average person should have no problem staying below that.
Edit: Sorry, my numbers are off. We've actually been pulling down about 15 gigs a month. However, we're above-average users and 5 should be doable for most people. | |
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join:2000-10-20
Van Wert, OH
| Re: CAPs said by quatrix  :We're power users with several PCs online all day, including one on VPN full-time and one on VPN part-time, and I've used 33 GB in 189 days, barely above 5 GB per month. The average person should have no problem staying below that. ... You're not a power user. At all. My grandmother uses more bandwidth than you do.
How about that latest Diablo 3 HD gameplay footage? 1 gig video. 1 video, 1 gig. The only part of "power user" that fits you is that your equipment probably ups your power bill a bit.
5 gigs is insane. I use that in a day. Watching HD gameplay trailers and listening to streaming music will EASILY consume that amount in under a week. These ISPs need to get real.
With a 5 gig cap you won't be participating in any game betas, since you can get 5 gigs of patches in a week not to mention a 3 gig client download.
How about on-line gaming. You can chew through a bit of bandwidth doing that. Running Rhapsody and WoW, and some other stuff, I can probably chew through 3-4 megs a minute or more. Let's say I game for 4 hours. I can use 1 gig a night just doing some gaming and music listening. Numbers are obviously estimated, but based on my usage that's about right.
The last time I set Rhapsody to auto-download mode I ended up with a 20 gig folder overnight.
I dunno where you're coming up with this 33 gb in 189 days is more than average crap, but your usage is LOW. Maybe if all you do is check your e-mail and cnn.com a few times per day. Try making use of the vast amounts of multimedia (flash games, video, audio) on the web and those numbers will skyrocket. | |
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join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs: | Re: CAPs ... You're not a power user. At all. My grandmother uses more bandwidth than you do.
How true!
LMAO!
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Premium
join:1999-12-27
Jacksonville, FL
| Agreed, anyone that things 5GB in a month is too much should start MAILING their comments in through the postal service and quit wasting our bandwidth on inane comments of which they know nothing 
As for Frontier, enough people vote with their pocketbooks, one of 2 things will happen 1) this ISP will go under or 2) they will get the point. People have the power if they work in cooperation.. | |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Don't Like It? Move!! Hey, Frontier is a private company, they're entitled to run things how they want and they don't owe you uncapped DSL service. If you don't like it you can always move to another service area.
At least that's the answer always fed here to rural and suburban residents when they complain about lack of service. it should apply to city folk as well. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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| Re: Don't Like It? Move!! very true. But Citizens is a rural company mostly. They're nationwide. But I agree. They're entitled to run things how they want- but not just because they're private- but because they're a business. A business or any ISP does not owe any user or customer anything except great customer service. And uncapped Internet is not considered great customer service. That would only include calling in and being treated in a nice calm manner and the Rep answering all the questions that they were asked, etc. | |
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@verizon.net
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join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs:
| Re: CAPs Very good point since when simply surfing, the d/l speeds are only 50-100kB/s and for a few seconds.
Heck, go to any network page (ABC, CPS, NBC) and see how the content is only like 20% of the total BW used to fetch the page! They're re all using tons of JS and Java applets just to run the main pages....
THAT is what I have a problem with! Basically WASTED BW!
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| Re: CAPs Sadly, I get to see dial-up on a semi-regular basis: I help my sister with her PC every month or so (she's still on dial-up, till next week when she moves to FiOS... presuming there's no strike to prevent it ). Plus, I well remember the days of 300 baud and having to connect to work after midnite to work on some problem. However, it would be a stretch for me to consider Comcast's "economy tier" (and some DSL tiers) to be broadband nowadays, so there's a range of access above dial-up that only a few would still think of as broadband. My point, though, was that I doubt this guy is doing any of those things that you mention as things someone may occasionally want to do, in which case a true broadband connection seems of little use to him. As you say, it's very, very easy to exceed 5GB simply by doing quite normal things. | |
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dlconkey
| quatrix, you're nowhere close to a power user. When I read about this cap it blew my mind how small it was. 5GB is NOTHING these days.
Here at my home, I've got two desktop PC's, two laptops and 5 other computers acting as servers running in my house. Oh, yeah, and an Xbox 360, a Home TheaterPC for my entertainment center, a DirecTV HD-DVR with On-Demand via Internet, a VOIP phone and an IP webcam.
Let's see how many ways I can break 5GB in a DAY:
• Download any movie from my DirecTV on-demand service on my DVR. HD movies will be at least 5 times more bandwidth.
• Download a game demo on Xbox Live, often 1 GB each.
• Play online multiplayer games with my buddies on Xbox Live or on my PC.
• Watching movie trailers on my desktop PC / watching you-tube videos online.
• Making or receiving ANY phone calls since I have a VOIP phone. BTW, I have TWO lines, one for personal, one for work.
• Working from home and connecting to my office VPN 5 days a week!
• Watching "Watch-Now" netflix movies streamed over the internet on my HTPC.
• Downloading MS patches for OS's for almost 10 PC's.
• Downloading purchased music from Amazon.com in high rez audio.
Dare I continue? These are are things I might do at least once or more during the course of a week, let alone a month!
My wife and I depend considerably on our internet access and it being unlimited. I can only hope that TWC never succeeds in implementing a cap, but who knows.
A 5GB cap is crap and they know it. | |
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one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | Re: CAPs If you were a registered user, I'd give you a thumbs up! You said exactly what I was thinking!
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: CAPs Ditto!
And in the end, what Frontier is really saying is "we don't really want to be in the DSL business" or "we want to be in the DSL business but don't want anyone using it. We just want to collect the customer's money, and oh.. don't use it"
5bg? I can't even support that. | |
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join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | said by Mike B :
• Downloading MS patches for OS's for almost 10 PC's.
set up your own WSUS server to cut that down. | |
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join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | Re: CAPs LOL, good one JOE. Thats was the laugh of the day. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
1 edit | said by quatrix :We're power users with several PCs online all day, including one on VPN full-time and one on VPN part-time, and I've used 33 GB in 189 days, barely above 5 GB per month. The average person should have no problem staying below that. Clueless.
I bet with all those "power used" PC's you also never updated them to SP1? SP2? ...I bet your network is totally riddled with crap and no well maintained.
Do you and the rest of us a favor.. don't pretend. | |
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Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
| said by quatrix :We're power users with several PCs online all day, including one on VPN full-time and one on VPN part-time, and I've used 33 GB in 189 days, barely above 5 GB per month. The average person should have no problem staying below that. LOLLOLLOL | |
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join:2007-09-25 | I only takes me about an hour to reach 5 GB running when I running Soulseek, BT or iTunes. Anyone using this DSL provided will leave in droves within weeks after the news coverage about these caps. Frontier just signed their death sentence. | |
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Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| I'm a low bandwidth user.
I don't watch HD movies from Netflix. I'm not using Bittorrent. I do minimal online gaming, usually.
I do surf, mainly this site and a few others, and I look up stuff on the Net as needed, as well as Billpay, etc.
Oh, I do watch Youtube videos occasionally, but we all know they are small and very compressed.
Even so, my Netmeter tells me I use around 4GB a month. 5GB is ludicrious. I could blow that easy if I was installing software or downloading an actual video or steam purchase.
No way.
Personally, I feel if there's going to be caps, they should be in the 200GB range. Yes, that's excessive for most of us.... but some people do download lots of crap and watch lots of video and I support them being able to do that. Who knows... one day I might be one of them too.
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join:2002-11-19
Canada | BS - nothing but pure BS.
Why even waste your time posting such drivel - it's clearly a lie... | |
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join:2003-05-06
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said by quatrix :We're power users with several PCs online all day, including one on VPN full-time and one on VPN part-time, and I've used 33 GB in 189 days, barely above 5 GB per month. The average person should have no problem staying below that. heres screen of about 30gb in a month uploading images typical surfing, watching full television shows and usual emailing and such.. also note upload was limited to under 100kb/sec of my available 5mb/sec upload. i could have easily hit 10gb upload if i left it on for more than 2 hours. --
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join:2007-10-16
Paden City, WV | Re: CAPs what program are you using in the pic?
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA | Re: CAPs That's the same software I use it's called bitmeter | |
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join:2003-05-06
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Divi Filius
Premium
join:2002-12-19
Mississauga | I admit, you made me laugh.
This story is a joke, right? ...Right?
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: CAPs 500,000 e-mails
1,750—2,500 High Resolution (6 megapixel) Photos
35,000—40,000 Web Pages
335 Hours of Online Game Time
1,250 Downloaded songs
That's if you only do ONE not all of them. Also I don't see anything about watching YouTube, Hulu or buying/renting movies from Amazon. What we aren't suposed to be doing that with our internet connection? Watching 30 mintues of Hulu a day would put you over the limit. I don't think that is excessive. | |
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@verizon.net
| Re: CAPs Anyone handling 500,000 email messages a month is probably a spammer. All in all, though, I just can't help but laugh at Frontier's numbers, and Frontier for "promoting" them. They asked themselves: how can we increase our capacity? They answered: get rid of more customers. Well, it's an answer... not a good one; but it's an answer. | |
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Premium
join:2004-06-29
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1 edit | If they think anything over 5 gig is a bandwidth hog they must be in serious trouble.
Seems they left out voip, streaming video, radio, windows updates/service packs along with all the other software you either download and patch from the internet.
If you going to do caps I would think the minimum would be 250 gigs. Maybe then we can talk about bandwidth hogs but in the age of HD content being delivered via the internet thats not going to be enough either. | |
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burgerwars
join:2004-09-11
Northridge, CA
·voip.ms
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: CAPs said by dcurrey :If they think anything over 5 gig is a bandwidth hog they must be in serious trouble. Seems they left out voip, streaming video, radio, windows updates/service packs along with all the other software you either download and patch from the internet. If you going to do caps I would think the minimum would be 250 gigs. Maybe then we can talk about bandwidth hogs but in the age of HD content being delivered via the internet thats not going to be enough either. Agree. 5 gb is nothing these days. One whole DVD? With an empty 200 gb hard drive (a typical drive these days), if you downloaded 5 gb a month, it would take 3.33 years to fill it. 5gb isn't anywhere near a bandwith hog, especially how ISPs have been pushing higher speeds. | |
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join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT
| dcurrey,
They're an RLEC so they'll never offer naked DSL--they view VOIP as competition and probably would like to kill it. You know, if the baby bells, RLECs and cable companies really think caps are ncessary, then maybe any Internet neutrality rules should address what is a reasonable cap so you don't have these providers trying to kill off competition by imposing unrealistically low caps. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: CAPs oh boy here we go already- someone on here saying we need some sort of Neutrality rules for the Internet. And want some asshole in DC saying how high a cap should be. The Gov't can not tell a business publicly traded or not how much bandwidth is too high or too little. The ISPs will alaugh at the FCC or anyone else and simply take it to court. If the court sides with the law then be prepard to take a nice price hike or have serviced killed.
Even ATT wouldn't even agree to that law. | |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
·Mediacom
1 edit | wow you DO know one could use that up in one night getting ONE game off STEAM which is totally legal
or how about getting an MMO client
windows SPs?
hell XBL could eat that FAST
and were not even getting in to P2P uses yet
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did some fast math if im right... this ~ just under 7MB A DAY
ARE THEY INSANE might as well use dial up | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: CAPs said by elios :wow you DO know one could use that up in one night getting ONE game off STEAM which is totally legal or how about getting an MMO client windows SPs? hell XBL could eat that FAST and were not even getting in to P2P uses yet edit did some fast math if im right... this ~ just under 7MB A DAY ARE THEY INSANE might as well use dial up Actually it's 170 MB not 7 MB per day. | |
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60 billion
Premium
join:2002-04-01
Wheeling, WV
·Comcast Formerly ..
| At home I go through about 200-300gb per month and of that maybe 1gb is p2p. When you have 4 people using the connection it adds up fast.
Last night I downloaded a few Xbox360 demos and videos totaling about 10gb. Is this unreasonable? That sort of activity is what broadband was made for.
At work we have 22 Comcast accounts and each site uses about 150gb per month (3.3 terabytes total) We would not be able to be in business if we had to stop "clogging the pipes"
5gb is nothing and I feel bad for anyone who will have to suffer with those caps. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: CAPs I know what you're talking about, the number of users can really affect the bandwidth usage. When I lived with 4 other people, the router struggled to keep up. Now, my 'net connection is idle most of the time.
Remember when ISP's tried to limit the number of computers you could connect with? Thus, the home router was born. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by balazone :At work we have 22 Comcast accounts and each site uses about 150gb per month (3.3 terabytes total) We would not be able to be in business if we had to stop "clogging the pipes" technically your work should be using a BUSINESS account and business accounts are not even part of this discussion. | |
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skyfreedomdo
Premium
join:2003-01-01
Boise, ID
| Wow, its too damn early for this crap. Let see: VOIP, TIVO, Windows Updates, EMAIL, ANTIVIRUS UPDATES, SPYWARE UPDATES, IM, ITUNES, NETFLIX, etc.
These are things that will eat up your 5GB in a heartbeat, Baineschile L2INTERNET. When you are able to get your movies via your broadband, like Netflix is doing, I wanna see what your opinion is but then again with a comment like this I doubt you even know what can be done on the internet and if you do known, then WISEUP!
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dlconkey
join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs:
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Is there some miscommunication somewhere???
I pay for a speed cap, not a usage cap. If the usage is killing the bottom lines, then they're way oversold and screwed themselves. You don't sell cars for the autobahn, allowing 250kph, then say "um, oh wait, you can go that fast, but only for 20km. Then you pay by the meter..."
BS I say!
And dude, people USING their service should not take away from yours. If in fact it does, and this is why the caps are sprouting up, the service is way oversold, and undersized!
If I pay for 200kph and want to drive 1000km if I darned well want too, then THAT is what I bought in the first place!
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join:2004-03-26
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: CAPs said by dlconkey :I don't pay for data limits, I pay for speed limits... Is there some miscommunication somewhere??? I pay for a speed cap, not a usage cap. If the usage is killing the bottom lines, then they're way oversold and screwed themselves. You don't sell cars for the autobahn, allowing 250kph, then say "um, oh wait, you can go that fast, but only for 20km. Then you pay by the meter..." And dude, people USING their service should not take away from yours. If in fact it does, and this is why the caps are sprouting up, the service is way oversold, and undersized! If I pay for 200kph and want to drive 1000km if I darned well want too, then THAT is what I bought in the first place! Nice try but that's a bad analogy.
Its like saying I pay for water pressure and not how much water I use.
If I leave my faucet, its the water companies fault for not being able to give me unlimited water at the price they bill me.
WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU SMOKING PEOPLE ????
Speed is speed. DATA is something to be consumed or used.
Data should be billed. The Speed should have something to do wih what the bottom dollar costs. But metered billing IS bill by byte.
Don't get me wrong. These jokers trying to sell 5GB caps are going to loose customers faster than Madonna lost her virginity.
I said it before and I ll say it now. There's nothing wrong with bill by the byte. IF the caps are say 50GB, 150GB, 300GB, 500GB, unlimited.
Also they need to work out how they handle excess usage. Auto charging more will only piss off most normal people, unless you provide a friendly way to monitor how much you have used. Give the customer the choice of paying surcharges or lowering the data-rate to say 128k/128k untill the next billing cycle is a better option.
Seriously, there are some real money grubbers out there. | |
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join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
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| Re: CAPs But data usage is NOT what's being sold! What's being sold is "'up to' a raw speed" and not "ok, you get great speed, but only for this much data".
YOUR analogy is flawed. Water is sold by the gallon. Sewage is charged by the gallon. Trash is billed by the volume. The internet (so far) is sold by speed limits and NOT by the bytes used. Let me know what node you're on so I can ask to be xferred to it and then I'll suck up my 10Mbps as fast as the wire stays cool!
Per MY TOS, I am billed for the speed cap, not consumption cap, and this is how the industry is going to self destruct... "Build out a big high speed network, then OVERSELL the nodes and then people bitch about their speed affected by what your neighbor bought the same as you did... then charge for excess usage, the same thing you bought in the first place.
Give us all a break.
Even Comcrap publicly says "99% of people don't use our new caps..." Um, then why screw the other ONE percent???!
You consumption freaks are the losers by blaming everyone else for your $hitty service. Talk to your own tech support (good luck) and don't blame the rest of us!
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Premium
join:1999-12-27
Jacksonville, FL | Ditto ! | |
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join:2005-09-01
| said by baineschile :As one of the few people who actually supports caps on this website, i say, wonderful. Heavy users need to stop clogging the pipes fore everyone, and pay for what they are actually using. Hell, I went over this over the weekend downloading and patching WoW. I used up over 6GB of traffic, and according to them, that would be 'too much traffic'. But, is downloading and patching a game 'excessive use'? Surely, 5GB is waaay too low. | |
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join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs: | The problem is: The pipes shouldn't get clogged in the first place! If they are clogged, then the service is being oversold! Simple!
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | I generally dont have an issue with reasonable caps, however I think 5GB is too low for a wired high speed connection. Even a "normal" user can have issues with 5GB, and thats why I have a problem with it. | |
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join:2004-03-17 | I could burn up 5gb in a few days on Hulu or downloading games I purchased on Steam. Frontier is going to put themselves out of business with absurd limits like this. 5gb is not heavy use by any metric. | |
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Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| As one of the users who thinks users that supports caps are idiots, I say, What are you smoking man? I could achieve that cap in half an hour grabbing 1 anime show. That is dead DEAD low, and is totally ridiculous.
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by baineschile :As one of the few people who actually supports caps on this website, i say, wonderful. Heavy users need to stop clogging the pipes fore everyone, and pay for what they are actually using. Are you being sarcastic or stupid? I'm not against REASONABLE caps. 5 GB is not reasonable. 5 GB, you might as well go back to dial-up. You can't do anything with 5 GB other than check e-mail and dial-up is just fine for that. | |
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join:2001-05-17
New York, NY
| said by baineschile :As one of the few people who actually supports caps on this website, i say, wonderful. Heavy users need to stop clogging the pipes fore everyone, and pay for what they are actually using. You need to get your head examined. | |
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Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| As one of the users who thinks users that supports caps are idiots, I say, What are you smoking man? I could achieve that cap in half an hour grabbing 1 anime show. That is dead DEAD low, and is totally ridiculous.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| said by baineschile :As one of the few people who actually supports caps on this website, i say, wonderful. Heavy users need to stop clogging the pipes fore everyone, and pay for what they are actually using. 2 things.
1 - I support caps too. But 5 GB is awfully low even for relatively light users.
2 - Did anyone see if they have plans with higher caps for more money? Or an overage fee? Or is that the cap for all users with no options to get more?
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| Re: CAPs said by TKJunkMail :2 - Did anyone see if they have plans with higher caps for more money? Or an overage fee? Or is that the cap for all users with no options to get more? Does it matter? Even if that's their introductary tier, 5 GB is unreasonable. I could blow through that just by watching funny YouTube links my friends send me. Hell, using my XBox to download a movie would wreck that cap.
It's hard for me to picture someone actually staying under 5GB in today's times. Maybe someone who only hops online to check an e-mail inbox, but then they'd be better serviced by a cheaper dial-up connection. | |
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join:2002-12-23
Kissimmee, FL
| said by baineschile :wonderful. Wow. Seriously? Come on, 5GB is waaaay too low to be the threshold for excessive usage. | |
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join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| what about linux users? i'm not talking about the BS of 'i need to download 10 distros a month' stuff. let's just pick Fedora 9 for an argument. that'll be ~4GB to start, if you download the CDs never mind the trying to get all the stuff upto date after a large install which can easily be several hundred megabytes, possible a little over a gigabyte if you install a lot of stuff. keeping the stuff updated can easily add a couple hundred megabytes a month.
I think the ISPs should actually invest into their infrastructure since bandwidth demands are only going to go up. Do you really think pictures are going to stay at 6-megapixels? youtube will stay at a really small resolution? people won't want to download movies from reputable sites? IPTV will never happen? | |
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@comcast.net
from:
dlconkey
| Re: CAPs When Ubuntu 8.04 came out I had to download 2 full dvd's one for 32bit and one for 64bit and then after installing on 3 different computers had to download between 1-8gb of software (steam mostly) per computer, that was one day and my usage was 15gb+ easily. | |
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join:2004-06-08 | Users that ISP need to leave them. I certainly hope that users just leave them and go to another ISP. 5GB is absolutely unacceptable. Some game demos will already take nearly 2GB. A 5GB cap is like saying your computer is ONLY good for email. My last Steam purchase was 21GB! | |
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FLengineer
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join:2007-06-26
Leesburg, FL | Too Low 5GB is not enough.
A 150GB cap is about the lowest that I would consider reasonable. These guys need to follow Comcast and not TWC. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: Too Low TWC is only doing that in limited areas and did not decide over night that it was going to be nation wide for all customers. TWC is only using the cap for NEW customers. Not old. TWC will most likely also raise that cap. | |
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esc0
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| What A Shame You suk Frontier. I am not in NY but I am sorry for the folks that use their service.
I would max this out with one copy of any Linux distribution. Don't they know people download open source software that can be freely distributed? Again you suk Frontier. | |
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| voipdabbler
join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT | Re: What A Shame esco,
They're a nation-wide RLEC--they're all over the map from coast-to-coast. So the pain is wide-spread, not just in NY. | |
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| Re: Frontier Imposes 5 GB Cap for DSL All these ISPs are now like drug dealers. Now that we, "the broadband addict user", have gotten "hooked" on broadband and can't live without it the dealers (ISPs) are cutting back on the product. It makes perfect sense to me that if the users wnat more then build bigger, better pipes to handle the increased demand. | |
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| Frontier Imposes 5 GB Cap For DSL I couldn't agree more. 5GB is insane. I download more than that just about every day. I too hope that their userbase is vocal and active on this so that they can see what a mistake it is and others will not try to follow. This is just incredible. If there must be a cap, it definitely needs to be much higher than that, especially "these days". Like most here, I am completely anti-cap, even if it costs more. I would never use a service that capped unless there was absolutely no other option. I want to know exactly what I will be paying each month, and not have to worry about going over. For those in the situation of having no other DSL/cable option, you might want to check into satellite Internet. It's certainly not ideal, but it beats dialup. | |
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| hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: Frontier Imposes 5 GB Cap For DSL why check into Satellite? it has caps as well. not monthly though its DAILY! It's worse. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Frontier Imposes 5 GB Cap For DSL said by hottboiinnc :why check into Satellite? it has caps as well. not monthly though its DAILY! It's worse. Wildblue has MONTHLY cap and thier cheapest tier has a 7000 MB Dl and 2300 MB Ul cap. That's sucks but it's nearly double what this crap company has. Their $90 tier has a 17,000 MB( 16.6 GB ) Dl cap and a 5000MB( 4.88 GB ) Ul cap. | |
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| Ammler
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join:2005-04-19
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: I'm on... If I was your relative I'd not be looking into a fractional T1. First I'd politely warn you that the connection is now under a monthly usage cap, please take it easy. If that didn't work, then I'd find a way to meter your connection use. You would also be paying for any overages on my account. | |
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| hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | the cap is just not in NY. It's nation wide. Karl just wanted to put NY. instead of the entire footprint- Fontier is NATION wide as i have said a while ago. | |
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Smith6612
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join:2008-02-01
united state | Re: I'm on... Karl only stated that Rochester, NY was where Frontier has their headquarters, and I know exactly where it is in Rochester as well. | |
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@capitalone.com | 5Gb combined? Wow, when wireless carriers give you higher caps, any doubts of your DSL's suckitude are gone. | |
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| Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
| Re: 5Gb combined? not only that they make you pay $3.99 to $4.99 a month for the modem as well also have Optional firewall, anti-spam and anti-virus security software plus content options including ESPN360 Broadband.
Wireless Modem required at $3.99 a month with term commitment/$4.99 without
Other ISP's give you free security software and have free DSL modems. | |
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| Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | There business page says Unlimited long distance voice-calling and business high-speed internet.
and a 5gb cap on a 10meg download speed? | |
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cruz99
@ameritech.net
| What? Are they that dumb? This is really starting to piss me off. I go through almost 5GB a day sometimes (with NO P2P at all!!!). This is bull. In my household, we watch Netflix on demand movies w/ Roku box, have DirecTV on demand, VOIP phone, PS3 online games, plus normal web usage and online games like World of Warcraft - ALL LEGAL. If they can't handle the usage DON'T advertise "fast" speeds!!! If you can only handle 1mb down then FINE, I would rather have an unlimited 1mb down and not have to worry about caps with a higher speed. If this cap happens, I will get a couple T1's and split it with a half dozen of my neighbors and BS DSL will lose MANY customers! | |
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jimk
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join:2006-04-15
Raleigh, NC
·AT&T Southeast
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1 edit | Frontier customers might as well switch back to dialup Seriously, with a 5 GB cap, what's the point of broadband at all? You can't actually use it for anything, so you might as well switch back to dialup.
Wow, check out other things in the TOS... remote desktop is sort of permitted unless they decide they don't like it anymore. It doesn't even use that much bandwidth! After that, I quit reading, it is too early to get this annoyed. | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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| Pay per Byte What they are relaly doing is finding a more acceptable pay per byte model. THey know 5gb is too small but they feel they would have a bigger pr problem if they went straight to per byte. this 5gb reasonable junk is just fluff.
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Pizz
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join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY | This will be the norm come soon Caps will be the norm come 2009 and beyond. MSOs, DSL are all going away from unlimited to metered. The key here is, how low they can go? 5gb is laughable, 200gb is reasonable. | |
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join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL
| Re: This will be the norm come soon said by Pizz :Caps will be the norm come 2009 and beyond. MSOs, DSL are all going away from unlimited to metered. The key here is, how low they can go? 5gb is laughable, 200gb is reasonable. Even 200GB of laughable. You download a Linux ISO, buy a few movies over netflix, or itunes. Download a few files, a game demo here and there, and your almost at your 200GB cap.
Cap's are a joke. They hurt the people who don't use very much for what there connection could do, and that's wrong. The smart thing to do would be to take the people who use the massive amount's of usage, and say look you use this much each month, pay us another $10 bucks a month, or get off.
ISP's don't even really pay for bandwidth anyways with peering relationships, its a joke all around. The FCC needs to come in and say, no you can't do that. | |
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join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
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| Re: This will be the norm come soon said by dlewis23 :said by Pizz :Caps will be the norm come 2009 and beyond. MSOs, DSL are all going away from unlimited to metered. The key here is, how low they can go? 5gb is laughable, 200gb is reasonable. Even 200GB of laughable. You download a Linux ISO, buy a few movies over netflix, or itunes. Download a few files, a game demo here and there, and your almost at your 200GB cap. Cap's are a joke. They hurt the people who don't use very much for what there connection could do, and that's wrong. The smart thing to do would be to take the people who use the massive amount's of usage, and say look you use this much each month, pay us another $10 bucks a month, or get off. ISP's don't even really pay for bandwidth anyways with peering relationships, its a joke all around. The FCC needs to come in and say, no you can't do that. I agree that caps in the first place is just hurting what services there are now on the internet, and future. But Cable does not want customers watching TV over the internet, nor do they want customers watching movies over the internet. Unless it's being provided by them.
But i'm very realistic person, and the entire Cable/DSL model will be caps, because it's cheaper on their network upgrades, and it stops users from taking away from their paid services. | |
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join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT
| Re: see how long it takes hayabusa,
That won't happen--they're a nation-wide RLEC and serve many areas that have minimal or no cellular coverage. Their landline business is probably more secure than the baby bells, which were created when ITT was broken up in the 70s. I see the caps as having 2 functions for bells and cable--raise your rates, but in a manner that may draw less criticism from local regulators, and (more importantly) kill competition that might compete with you for video, VOIP, etc. I wish people would beging discussing it in terms of net neutrality. | |
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join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT
| Re: see how long it takes hayabusa,
I agree that cable and the telcos may try to kill net neutrality; however, there are very, very deep pockets on the other side of this fight (those companies that will suffer if cable and telcos can have their way in controlling and shaping traffic on the net). I'm talking the likes of Google, Microsoft (especially, if they somehow get part of Yahoo), etc. I think dollar-for-dollar it will be a pretty evenly matched fight with respect to check books. With Kevin Martin out as chair of the FCC when Bush's term ends, it will be interesting to see who is chosen as his replacement. (Even if McCain would win, I don't see Martin being asked to stay on.) I suspect the telcos are beginning to worry about who might replace Martin, who has been such an overtly staunch supporter of all their causes. | |
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join:1999-12-27
Jacksonville, FL | Dangerous trick to try and pull in New York | |
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Premium
join:2006-04-15
Raleigh, NC
·AT&T Southeast
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | Re: How many bytes of data does overhead create a month. Just the updates you listed could add up quite a bit over time, especially if there is something major like a service pack for windows and you have multiple computers.
Add to that bandwidth used for advertising on pages, your automatic email checks, auto refreshing and updating pages such as news sites, people running port scans on your connection, and the figure goes up more. Not a lot, but it does add up over time... especially when you only have 5 GB available.
Also, there's the overhead of the network protocols (for example, TCP/IP and UDP) that I haven't seen anyone mention yet. These are why a connection provisioned at 3.0 Mbps never reads that fast on the speed tests. I'm willing to bet that they are limiting you on total data consumption and that they aren't taking the protocol overhead into account, which means that downloading a 5.0 GB file will put you over the limit. | |
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join:2002-05-10
Omaha, NE
clubs: | 5? Maybe for my parents... My parents have an AT&T dsl line and I doubt they go over 5, but they are both in their 60's.
The lowest I could possibly tolerate on my cox line is 25 GB a month, and I had better damn well be getting a discount off what I am paying. | |
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2600
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join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Caps 5gb is low, but I would rather have 2 million customers that check their email once per night, and spend an hour on the web reading news, then 3 million customers, of which a third clog the pipes for everyone else. | |
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mleland
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Westwood, CA
| Thank God this doesn't apply to business DSL users.... I have a business level DSL account with Frontier in rural Northeastern California. Taking a look at the "Commercial" AUP there is nothing there about a cap of any kind.
»www.frontieronline.com/policies/···ial_aup/
I did call Frontier at the business account number and confirmed the Commercial AUP applies to all business DSL accounts. If the cap did apply I would be screwed. The cable company (»www.rapidcable.com) up here is a joke. Their website doesn't seem to even load at the moment and I recall the prices being silly for 1mg\128. Ohh and of course there was a 5gb or 10gb cap there as well. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: Thank God this doesn't apply to business DSL users.... you should fix your post. The title says it doesnt but your post says it does and doesnt. Time to re-edit it. | |
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Dumb
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Frontier files for chapter 11. reason lost too many dsl lines. Shareholders are now bitching i wander why 
How many bytes of data does overhead create a month.
I oppose caps because I cannot tell how much traffic my computers will generate if I simply turn them on every day, let them operate for an hour, and do not access the internet through the browser. I cannot get any information on how much traffic is created by computer software operating in the background or unsolicited incoming traffic such as port scans.