Nightfall
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| I suppose for business professionals its a good deal
For people who have to work via a VPN or something from the plane, its great. For me its a little too pricey. I will settle for watching a movie on my laptop. Much cheaper that way.
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Matt
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| said by Nightfall  :For people who have to work via a VPN or something from the plane, its great. For me its a little too pricey. I will settle for watching a movie on my laptop. Much cheaper that way. It is pricey, but I will be all over this regardless. I HATE flying because of the cramped, boring quarters. This will at least make it livable. |
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itnoles
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Melbourne, FL | Airport handling of laptops
I don't know I can trust them to handling my laptop. I have seen a story about US airports lose laptops daily.
In the other hands, this seems a good idea. |
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nixen
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| said by itnoles :I don't know I can trust them to handling my laptop. I have seen a story about US airports lose laptops daily. In the other hands, this seems a good idea. Err... What? Who's handling your laptop other than you? Your laptop is a carry-on item.
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tiger72
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clubs: | As long as file-sharing is restricted...
...this should work.
But all it takes is a single person running bittorrent to fill the 3.1mbps that's dedicated to the entire plane. |
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tiger72
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Re: Airport handling of laptops
this is mostly an issue of checked baggage. You know, when the geniuses at TSA "randomly" choose to "search" bags with laptops in them and then "lose" them. |
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nixen
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| What Would *Really* Make It a Complete Service Is...
A) If you could pre-purchase the wi-fi service as part of your ticket/itinerary. Would make things much easier for the business traveler when it came time to fill out expense reports
B) If, like AMTRAK trains, each seat was equipped with an electrical outlet so that you could plug in your laptop to keep it charged/charging for the entire time you were on-board.
I mean, WiFi plus A&B would probably be enough to make me try to fly Delta versus other carriers if there were equivalent routings for a given destination.
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Matt
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| said by nixen :A) If you could pre-purchase the wi-fi service as part of your ticket/itinerary. Would make things much easier for the business traveler when it came time to fill out expense reports B) If, like AMTRAK trains, each seat was equipped with an electrical outlet so that you could plug in your laptop to keep it charged/charging for the entire time you were on-board. I mean, WiFi plus A&B would probably be enough to make me try to fly Delta versus other carriers if there were equivalent routings for a given destination. I thought I read somewhere that most of these planes would have an outlet when this was added? That was part of the expense bcause they had to account for the additional electrical load. I can't seem to dig it up now though so I could be completely off. |
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Gogo1
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Clearly someone at Delta was browsing here and loved my name. |
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gaforces
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Will they have ships deployed with EVDO transmitters? |
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dadkins
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Each laptop capable of watching a different movie from a library of... 100 DVD movies?
That would be cool!
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elios
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Springfield, MO | reply to Nightfall
Re: I suppose for business professionals its a good deal
i dont know if i was flying cost to cost nonstop 13 bucks isnt that bad really for some thing to do
thats about what i pay for a Maximum PC at the airport and i can chat on IRC from 30,000ft |
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wifi4milez
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| reply to Matt
said by Matt :said by Nightfall :For people who have to work via a VPN or something from the plane, its great. For me its a little too pricey. I will settle for watching a movie on my laptop. Much cheaper that way. It is pricey, but I will be all over this regardless. I HATE flying because of the cramped, boring quarters. This will at least make it livable. Agreed. I despise flying and anything that can make it a little more bearable will help.
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| In-Flight power?
If they are going through the expense of putting this system on the planes, they should also put in power in every seat. This would make it much more appealing to the laptop users. If we could get power in the seats, then I would go after this.
mmmmm. WoW @ 32,000 feet...
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| reply to tiger72
Re: As long as file-sharing is restricted...
I do not see that being too much of a problem. Really the majority of people flying that are going to pay for the WIFI are not going to be doing it for bittorrent. That is just my opinion, I may be wrong, but I see more as just a way for people to surf the net and something to do as they fly.
One problem may be movies. Downloading and/or watching movies at the same time to kill the horrible flying conditions we are forced into on US flights.
I think overall though these people are not dumb and would have filtered that out. I know, encryption... scream away about it, but it is not hard to pick that stuff out of the traffic.
Also, my guess on encryption, including VPNs, may be restricted. This would seem wise as a security issue. Terrorist communications would not be permitted so anything that cannot be unencrypted would/should be blocked. Also, I have no doubt that these go right through NSA points first so maybe they will allow it, people thing their bittorrent encryption is flawless but I have more faith in the NSA than that.
I would pay for it though. You pay $5 for a drink just to kill some of the hell of flying why not pay a little more for some internet access instead? |
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wifi4milez
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Re: Airport handling of laptops
said by tiger72 :this is mostly an issue of checked baggage. You know, when the geniuses at TSA "randomly" choose to "search" bags with laptops in them and then "lose" them. Who checks their laptop when flying?? I keep mine in my backpack, which comes on the flight with me. Why would you ever put something (relatively) delicate into the checked baggage hell? I feel that anyone who has ever once seen how the baggage "handlers" throw bags around would know better than to check anything breakable.
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Nightfall
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Re: I suppose for business professionals its a good deal
said by wifi4milez :said by Matt :said by Nightfall :For people who have to work via a VPN or something from the plane, its great. For me its a little too pricey. I will settle for watching a movie on my laptop. Much cheaper that way. It is pricey, but I will be all over this regardless. I HATE flying because of the cramped, boring quarters. This will at least make it livable. Agreed. I despise flying and anything that can make it a little more bearable will help. I guess I am just saying that there are plenty of things to do if you have a laptop already. I usually fire up a movie and watch it during the flight. Then I could use my Ipod, Nintendo DS, and PSP.
I guess more people would purchase this than I thought. I guess to me, its a little pricey. Especially with all the things I have with me already that have entertainment value.  |
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keyboard5684
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Youngsville, PA | reply to gaforces
Re: Over the ocean?
I would have to do some math but at 38,000 feet what is the line of sight there? I think onshore transmitters could do it.
Also, I would bet renting a little space on a satellite would take care of it. |
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|  Power
I think power would be an issue. It is a huge engineering problem although it sounds simple.
The planes simply where not built for it. It is not as simple as installing power in the seats, unless the engineers planned for it. There is a ton of design, testing, calculations of power distributions, cabling, load on certain areas, an airplane is a complicated machine and I do not think anyone wants theirs to crash over power in the seats.
So I think it will be a problem. They do have power in the business and first class already. But if they put power in all the coach seats it will get used (not just by laptops on wifi but by people using it for there IPOD, DVD player, all kinds of stuff) so it will be a lot of load. |
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Re: Airport handling of laptops
said by wifi4milez :said by tiger72 :this is mostly an issue of checked baggage. You know, when the geniuses at TSA "randomly" choose to "search" bags with laptops in them and then "lose" them. Who checks their laptop when flying?? I keep mine in my backpack, which comes on the flight with me. Why would you ever put something (relatively) delicate into the checked baggage hell? I feel that anyone who has ever once seen how the baggage "handlers" throw bags around would know better than to check anything breakable. People going on long trips who don't want to do anything on the flight, but need computer access while abroad.
Hey, i'm not saying it makes any sense, I just know some people do it.
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