Anonymous_
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127.0.0.1
clubs: | how many mb is torrent?
how many mb is torrent? |
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Matt
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1 edit |  Slowdown
The slowdown in traffic is directly due to the slowdown in new subscribers. Which has prompted the ISPs to look for new revenue streams -- of which the whopper is metered billing.
Metered billing slows consumption while increasing the profitability of each customer and providing a new revenue stream for network upgrades.
So much for the old school cost of doing business! |
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tiger72
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Re: how many mb is torrent?
25 |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| Stimulate it?
"Odlyzko suggests that ISPs should stop fearing traffic growth and work on ways to stimulate it."
Maybe I am missing the boat here, but why should the ISPs want to stimulate traffic growth? I understand (and agree with) his statement that they should not be afraid of growth(grow or die). |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | reply to Matt
Re: Slowdown
I presume you mean slowdown in traffic growth?
Doesn't the article say that there is no slowdown in growth? |
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DOStradamus
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join:2003-11-04
Santa Rosa, CA
| Look at who runs "those ISPs" ...
The predominant profession of those in our government's legislatures are lawyers, and, as a result, we have too many/too complex laws that we have to live under. A situation only a lawyer could tolerate, if not actually like.
The ISPs that do. or want to, implement bandwidth "caps" and by-the-byte billing, are run by BEAN COUNTERS. As a result, those companies' efforts to increase their profits are not concerned with innovation or improving the quality of their products, to attract new business, they BEAN-COUNT!. This typically involves the creation of new "line items" that they can bill for, outsourcing tech support to low-paid idiots, and iterations of "cut a corner and run the numbers".
The act of using an ISP that's run by bean-counters, rather than (computing) industry professionals the same kind of poor choice as hiring a dog proctologist to remove a the brain tumor that caused you to make your poor choice of ISP.
-NK |
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Matt
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Re: Slowdown
said by mod_wastrel  :I presume you mean slowdown in traffic growth? Doesn't the article say that there is no slowdown in growth? said by article :
"We see more of a slowdown than a speed-up."
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tiger72
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said by Matt :The slowdown in traffic is directly due to the slowdown in new subscribers. Which has prompted the ISPs to look for new revenue streams -- of which the whopper is metered billing. Metered billing slows consumption while increasing the profitability of each customer and providing a new revenue stream for network upgrades. So much for the old school cost of doing business! Unfortunately, by using metered billing they may just yet be signing their own death warrants. Stagnation of the internet due to restrictive bandwidth policies may very well lead to less use of the internet, less e-commerce, less e-gaming, less e-video consumption, and eventually less users.
Alternatively, all it takes is a single competitor to come in and steal away their customers, and thanks to wireless technology advances, that competition can come in many forms. WiMax, Cellular 3G/4G, etc.. are looking better and better as future alternatives. T-Mobile could very well be my next HSI provider if local cable and phone companies continue down their path.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | That's the whole point
ISPs aren't afraid of traffic. They're afraid of video competition. |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
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1 edit | reply to Matt
Re: Slowdown
You left out the "If anything". You also left out the "...monthly Internet traffic is between 900 and 1550 petabytes per month, up from 750 to 1250 petabytes at the end of 2007".
If anything, I don't interpret that as a slowdown, especially since he said "growth is still quite fast".
Edit: His statistics are at odds with use of the term "slowdown". Given an acceptable, normal variance they simply show a steady growth, but not some "flood" or "explosion" as predicted by ISPs and their lobbyists--the same people who claim "massive congestion" all along their networks (yeah, right). It's just business as usual. |
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espaeth
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| reply to Dogfather
Re: That's the whole point
said by Dogfather :ISPs aren't afraid of traffic. They're afraid of video competition. Only if they don't have someone on staff with basic algebra skills to show why they don't need to be worried about it anytime soon. |
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averagedude
join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ
1 edit | reply to Dogfather
ISPs aren't afraid of traffic. They're afraid of video competition. 2nd |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to Lazlow
Re: Stimulate it?
said by Lazlow :"Odlyzko suggests that ISPs should stop fearing traffic growth and work on ways to stimulate it." Maybe I am missing the boat here, but why should the ISPs want to stimulate traffic growth? I understand (and agree with) his statement that they should not be afraid of growth(grow or die). The ISPs don't fear traffic growth, they're crying "BANDWIDTH APOCALYPSE!!" and spreading FUD to justify new ways to control and monetize the pipe you're paying for.
They are trying to get consumers, congress and regulators to believe there is a scarcity of bandwidth and they just can't handle the traffic (especially "bandwidth hogs") without some "network management" or caps and throttling.
there continues to be no publicly available data (that I have seen) that indicates there are major network congestion problems. |
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ninjatutle
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| It's coming
Like the great locust swarms in Africa, it can hit any day. All it takes is a great catalyst to trigger.
Look at what happens when earthquakes hit, people jam the phone lines and the systems are unable to handle every call. Woot.com is slow to crawl on woot off's. Highways are brought to a snails pace by people slowing down to view accidents on the side of the roads.
Skynet is coming... |
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Jovi
join:2000-02-24
Mount Joy, PA
·T-Mobile US
| reply to Dogfather
Re: That's the whole point
Afraid of video competition and another way to milk a buck. 
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY | Manufactured famine.
This is a manufactured famine designed by ISPs to squeeze more money out of their customers and provide them with less value for that money.
Nothing more needs to be said, really. That says it all. |
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DSLTech
join:2000-12-30
San Jose, CA
| Funny mail from DTV today
Yes, I've tried the DTV on-Demand beta and well, its a bit clumsy. However, today is the first time I've recieved an official email from DTV saying DTV on-demand has arrived.
Well folks, expect this to add to the network capacity demands.
I work for an ISP and in the capacity management group and yes, running out of bandwidth is for real so don't go around saying it is being used to "cry wolf" or gain some other goal.
The reason why the growth was seen as "unmanageable" as scoffed at in the article, was because growth WAS growing at a rate that was predicted to be unmanageable at the time. However, the rate of growth has subsided as the novelty of internet video has died down.
On the other hand, once content companies start to "push" videos to consumers over the same hardware(TV) that consumers are used to seeing it on, its quite possible the problem will once again surface.
Hopefully they will be doing some throttling on their side so as to limit the damage to all involved.
As an ISP, we could always choose to blackhole their AS number or IP blocks while holding their content ransom.  |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| reply to Matt
Re: Slowdown
said by Matt :Metered billing slows consumption while increasing the profitability of each customer and providing a new revenue stream for network upgrades. Metered billing is an attempt to make internet connections as profitable as text messages. And the profit isn't for upgrades, it's for increased stock prices. |
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major marco
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Stepford, CA
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said by tiger72 :... by using metered billing they may just yet be signing their own death warrants. Stagnation of the internet due to restrictive bandwidth policies may very well lead to less use of the internet, less e-commerce, less e-gaming, less e-video consumption, and eventually less users. Perhaps, but I don't see subscribers migrating en masse to wifi, consequently. What will most likely happen -considering the massive recession the U.S. economy seems directly on course for- those who can no longer afford BB will simply revert back to dial up, meanwhile, the remaining subscribers who get their BB from cable & telco providers will simply be squeezed that much more to make up the difference.
These providers know precisely what they're doing. A good analogy to this is renting a residence. Those who can't afford the excessive rent increases simply leave. Those who choose to stay behind are simply fucked up the ass that much harder squeezed harder.
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tschmidt
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Re: Stimulate it?
said by Lazlow : but why should the ISPs want to stimulate traffic growth? Why do you have a broadband connection and others have only dialup? Because you value high speed Internet access. It enables you do do things you cannot do on dialup.
ISPs ought to encourage use for two reasons. Competitive advantage and the more a customer uses the Internet the more willing they are to pay for higher speed.
ISPs are in the business of delivering the bits. It seem strange they are trying to vilify their most demanding customers that are using the Internet in creative new ways creating demand for ever higher speed connection.
/tom |
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