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Comments on news posted 2008-08-14 11:14:30: Prompted by the NebuAD fiasco, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce recently began investigating how numerous ISPs and content operators treat user privacy (a hint: poorly). ..

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PhoenixDown
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If you don't allow ATT to sell your browsing data...

THE TERRORISTS WIN!!

How can you be so unpatriotic as to allow that to happen? ATT will treat your information with kid gloves as they hand it off to the government and carefully selected sponsors. This is for your own good and for the benefit of our great nation. To think otherwise means your just another unpatriotic anarchist. Shame on you! SHAME ON YOU!
Kearnstd
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doesnt lower my ping!

lowering my ping in games would increase my online experience, will ISPs selling browsing data do that?

something tells me the magic eight ball: Not Likely.

en102
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en102

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The only online benefit of selling this data

Is to make AT&T more money.
psx_defector
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Eeeeeeeediotssss!

quote:
Maybe consumers would be more willing to hand over their browsing data as a new revenue stream if the process didn't begin with ISPs assuming all of their customers were idiots?
Probably because the vast majority of ISP customers ARE idiots.

"Oh no! My computer might be running slowly! Let me click on the link to fix it!"

"Wow, a price from Nigeria wants to have ME, of all people, help him transfer money. Let me break out my gold Amex."

People will go off on some quest half-cocked because some blog linked to another blog who linked to another blog about some injustice that actually never took place.

Idiots drive the world now. Gotta cater to them first. So we get lovely press speaking points talking about "enhanced user experience" and "better browsing". Never mind that most of it is indeed bullshit, but most idiots will never understand anyways.

FFH5
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FFH5

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Stop ads by using ad blockers

Stop all ads - targeted or not.

For Firefox:
»adblockplus.org/en/

For IE7:
»www.ie7pro.com/

And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google.

Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was.
azjerry
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could?

Behavioral advertising "could prove quite valuable to consumers and could dramatically improve their online experiences, while at the same time protecting their privacy."

A lot of "could"s in that statement. They could just as accurately say it could cure cancer or could give you winning lottery numbers. How about more "will"s or "would"s?

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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dadkins

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AT&T?

NEVER!!1
AT&T is a Highly Reputable company!

Wonder if this applies to AT&T wireless as well...
Better stop surfing on my phone too, huh?
dadkins

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Re: Stop ads by using ad blockers

Ad Muncher - works with any browser:
»www.admuncher.com/

Your data is still scattered, but ads are not displayed!

maartena
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Re: The only online benefit of selling this data

said by en102:

Is to make AT&T more money.
And although I *HATE* the idea, one could make the argument that if AT&T makes more money, they have more money for upgrades.

Sadly, a large chunk of that money will end up in the "christmas bonus" for the CEO.
88615298 (banned)
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Re: Stop ads by using ad blockers

said by FFH5:

Stop all ads - targeted or not.

For Firefox:
»adblockplus.org/en/

For IE7:
»www.ie7pro.com/

And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google.

Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was.
First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data.

As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free.

pnh102
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Pay Me and I'll Do It

I'd have no problem with this if they passed that $2 a month down to me.

Yes, I really am that cheap.
88615298 (banned)
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They can stop talking about caps now.

If they are going to make money off my surfing habits then there's their money from extra badnwidth they supposedly need. $2=about 30 GB worth of bandwidth.

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Re: The only online benefit of selling this data

said by maartena:

said by en102:

Is to make AT&T more money.
And although I *HATE* the idea, one could make the argument that if AT&T makes more money, they have more money for upgrades.
continuing with that logic, everyone should pay $50 more per month because it will allow AT&T to have more money for upgrades.
amungus
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and pigs can fly

...with sufficient force...

"Experience" ..yeah, sounds like a good time... not really.

And how exactly would any privacy be protected? Isn't it already funneled directly to the NSA anyway? Not only that, but tons of data flows through their networks from other companies. Would they then sell off another tap to ad agencies if your data passed through their networks???

FFH5
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Re: Stop ads by using ad blockers

said by 88615298:
said by FFH5:

Stop all ads - targeted or not.

For Firefox:
»adblockplus.org/en/

For IE7:
»www.ie7pro.com/

And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google.

Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was.
First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data.

As far as ad blockers, you do realize the reason why you can surf MILLIONS of sites for FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads, sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my time, work and money building a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free.
Of course, you can start charging for your site. That is your prerogative. But would anyone pay for it? That is why most sites are still free - no one would pay a nickel to go to them if they charged. Maybe the web needs a lot less sites if people won't pay to go to them.

anonymous2
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Either you with us or we will terminate your account

They win and you loose!!!!

morbo
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Re: Stop ads by using ad blockers

is that a joke?
morbo

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canceling dsl and pots today

goodbye AT&T! you've done many things over the years to make me hate you. helping the NSA spy on all americans really sticks out. but this is where i call (1-800-288-2020) and cancel my phone and internet services with you.

goodbye.

fatmanskinny
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What's new???

Companies have been pimping consumer data for years.
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Re: Stop ads by using ad blockers

said by FFH5:

Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was.
While this may be true, it doesn't mean we should stop fighting for more privacy. Fighting the good fight can be beneficial.

"Never give up! Never surrender"
Commander Taggert, NSEA Protector
amungus
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Good point. No they don't block transmissions of your activity, though some might stop the requests for some ads. Still won't stop your request for the top level site(s).

However, in my opinion, blockers are meant less for blocking sane, real ads than for blocking possibly infected, annoying ads. There are just too many off site ads these days, some leading to who knows where. Soon as you hit a site that's had its database and/or ads compromised by some SQL injection exploit, and you load those files, you've been compromised without "doing" anything, or going "somewhere bad" at all... Too many people are sick of it.

I take a much different stance than you on ads. I've hosted a (few) site(s) for some years now with zero ads, and don't plan on changing that any time soon.

Yes, It's my time, my money, and it's there for YOU to enjoy if you'd like. I put it there on my own terms, so that others can enjoy it on their own terms as well - take it or leave it. I would never consider charging somebody to simply view a site, unless its content were of some extra special value, in which case people could then buy into it. Take the adult industry for example - yeah, that's different, and yeah, they have the right to charge for access to the content - but NOT for simply stopping by.

You should realize you can surf to MILLIONS of sites for free WITHOUT ads, because some people realize that the internet is more about simple freedom than commerce only.

Before all the "e-commerce" insanity, the internet was far less cluttered with narrow minded people. I kind of miss it in a nostalgic kind of way. Most sites were just simple, and the word "flash" actually meant something other than the basis for usually crap quality video, CPU clogging code, and horrid excuses for site design... not to mention highly annoying ADS

Matt3
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said by 88615298:

said by FFH5:

Stop all ads - targeted or not.

For Firefox:
»adblockplus.org/en/

For IE7:
»www.ie7pro.com/

And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google.

Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was.
First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data.

As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free.
Hopefully the beer is.

Yarly
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Re: What's new???

I agree, it's been going on for years just under the table.

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Re: Stop ads by using ad blockers

said by 88615298:

said by FFH5:

Stop all ads - targeted or not.

For Firefox:
»adblockplus.org/en/

For IE7:
»www.ie7pro.com/

And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google.

Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was.
First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data.

As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free.
You want me to come to your site for a reason, so YOU pay to try and get ME to come there. I call BS on you, Sir/Maam
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Hey TK, I don't WANT your money! Nor do many other people who wish for their sites to be free in the first place.

If you offered me money out of the kindness of your heart, just because you wanted to show your support, or because you liked the site(s), or because you felt like being nice, guess what? I still wouldn't want it. Now, if you bought something I was selling, sure, have at it; give me all the money you want in that case. Buy one for your friends...

NOCMan
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The Lawsuits will Fly once

Daddy surfs some porn and then molly comes home from school and opens the browser and porn ad's start filling her screen.

Nightfall
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Re: What's new???

said by fatmanskinny:

Companies have been pimping consumer data for years.
I agree with you.

As if all this browsing data has been anonymous. Cookies are on everyones computers (except for people who are paranoid and clean them out all the time. Even if they did, that won't stop websites we visit from sharing this info either.

Nothing we do on the internet is anonymous, that much is certain. If AT&T decides to sell my browsing history to make a buck off of it, it won't stop me from using the service.
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Re: Stop ads by using ad blockers

said by FFH5:

said by 88615298:
said by FFH5:

Stop all ads - targeted or not.

For Firefox:
»adblockplus.org/en/

For IE7:
»www.ie7pro.com/

And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google.

Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was.
First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data.

As far as ad blockers, you do realize the reason why you can surf MILLIONS of sites for FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads, sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my time, work and money building a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free.
Of course, you can start charging for your site. That is your prerogative. But would anyone pay for it? That is why most sites are still free - no one would pay a nickel to go to them if they charged. Maybe the web needs a lot less sites if people won't pay to go to them.
So I should spend money on bandwidth and hosting and other thigns just so you can surf for free? See the whole point is that if you are going to COST me money I don't want yo on my site in the first place.

Your logic is like telling McDonald's if they don't give you free food you won't eat there. So what. Your eating for FREE costs them money so they don't need you anyways. I hate to burst your bubble but 99% of what's on the internet is there to MAKE MONEY.

I'd rather have 1000 visitors a month paying me $30 a year than 1 million leaching my bandwidth and using adblockers.

let me ask you a question. Your boss says he now expects you to work for FREE. Do you?
88615298

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said by SillyRabbit :

said by 88615298:

said by FFH5:

Stop all ads - targeted or not.

For Firefox:
»adblockplus.org/en/

For IE7:
»www.ie7pro.com/

And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google.

Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was.
First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data.

As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free.
You want me to come to your site for a reason, so YOU pay to try and get ME to come there. I call BS on you, Sir/Maam
Are you stupid? Seriously. Your post prove you have ZERO clue to how the intenet works.

hopeflicker
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said by 88615298:
said by FFH5:

Stop all ads - targeted or not.

For Firefox:
»adblockplus.org/en/

For IE7:
»www.ie7pro.com/

And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google.

Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was.
First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data.

As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free.
Your pro corporation drivel is a spitting image of the guy trying to block FF users from viewing his site.
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