furlonium
Computer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?
join:2002-05-08
Bethlehem, PA | Saddening
I've been a listener of Digitiallyimported since 2001, and though they have a pay per month option for higher bitrate streams, I'd hate to see anything happen to them (or any other independent webcaster). |
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TSI Gabe
Premium,VIP
join:2007-01-03
Chatham, ON | Same story here. Listen to Digitiallyimported since about 2001-2000ish. And It would be a shame for royalties to wipe Internet Radio into oblivion.
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Redlight
Rarr
join:2001-12-01
Bridgeport, OH | Sigh...
70% of their money on royalties is ridiculous. I hate to see Pandora go down as I really enjoy their service. The same goes for DI, Shoutcast and other webstations. |
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awsomness
@verizon.net | Quest to destroy
They did it again that terrible that "4" letter organization.  I'm not buying your cd's and your name is blacklisted. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to furlonium
Re: Saddening
i hope atleast a few stations give SoundExchange and the Courts and the RIAA a big middle finger and move their servers to a country that has reasonable laws verses this Extortion that the US industry is running.
clearly what is being done here Violates the RICO act since Satellite and Broadcast pay nearly nothing, Internet radio is basicly paying protection money and not royalties.
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
 ·Cingular Wireless
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Redlight
Re: Sigh...
Agreed, this really sucks big time for the webcasters. The more that this kind of $hit goes down, the closer I get to boycotting the MAFIAA's CD's/DVD's. This organization is seriously getting out of control, and will, in time, bear the fruits of its greed.... |
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Done_Posting
Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
 ·buckeye cable
| reply to furlonium
Re: Saddening
I'm yet another avid fan of DI.fm, and I agree that this is nonsense. Truth be told, if IP radio stations are forced off the air, I'll just stop listening to music altogether.
For me, the days of (over)paying for CD's are long gone.
- Tate
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PaulTT
@affiliatedinc.net
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kamm 
| RIAA has NO Artists Interest
It is clear to me that the RIAA has no artists' interest and NO artist should support the RIAA. As an avid listener of Pandora this is terrible and very unfair. Internet radio WAS the future, why do they need to pay more in royalties? What a loss for music lovers and a loss for new artists trying get heard! |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| time to promote piracy.
well atleast that is what will likely happen if Net Radio stations start to go off the air in bulk. stuff like Pandora was a Free and Legal way to get music of reasonable quality. if the industry steals that from people, lots of people will turn to the pirate bay for their next music.
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
 ·Vonage
| reply to Redlight
Re: Sigh...
Indeed. I listen to these services on a daily basis as part of my daily music mix staple.
If these greedy SOB's are allowed to get away with sucking 70% and shutting these services down then they'll get nothing. Hmmm....70% of of nothing is?????
Thanks to Pandora, etc. I actually got some CD's of bands I would have never done otherwise. I guess these bozo's in the *IAA just will never get it.
ARE YOU LISTENING YOU BUNCH OF $&^KERS. There, better now! |
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Quake110
join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON | reply to Redlight
Can't they migrate to another country? Because that's just ridiculous! |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
2 edits |  reply to Redlight
Rhapsody & last.FM seem to be doing OK
I guess it depends on how you monetize your product. Rhapsody sells subscriptions and doesn't just depend on ads. And they also get ISPs to pay for their product and then give it to their customers. So money can be made in internet radio while paying the royalties. Maybe Pandora needs a different business plan to make more profits.
From the Washington Post story:
SoundExchange officials argue that because different media have different profit margins, it is appropriate to set different royalty rates.
Moreover, they complain, Internet radio stations have done too little to make money from playing their songs.
Pandora makes advertising money only from spots placed on its Web page, not on audio ads that run between songs. And »www.last.fm which is owned by CBS and offers free music also is doing OK. The problem with some internet radio offerings may be the companies that don't have a legitimate business plan. They have plans that were based on getting the music for free or for almost free. Why should the RIAA support them and take money from companies that are paying the requested fees to the RIAA.
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centsofhumor
join:2007-01-20
Two Rivers, WI | good luck riaa...
when you have less revenue coming in, what are you gonna blame it on? Pirating? Your Just screwing yourselves. |
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k1ll3rdr4g0n
join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| said by centsofhumor :when you have less revenue coming in, what are you gonna blame it on? Pirating? Your Just screwing yourselves. Nah, they wont say that. They will just raise CD prices even more, and sit there and wonder why CD sales keep going down....
So, let me get this straight, the billion dollar artists want more money? Anyone wanna start a band? |
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Kilroy
Premium,MVM
join:2002-11-21
Ann Arbor, MI
·WOW Internet and C..
| And still they will complain
That they are losing money to piracy when in reality they have taxed the legal sources into oblivion. They will push the blame in any direction, except the one that it belongs.
They need to learn basic economics, supply and demand. When you want to charge more than people want to pay you will sell fewer units. So, you have to find the sweet spot where you make the most profit selling the fewest units at the highest price. If the market changes you have to adjust your pricing accordingly.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to Kearnstd
Re: time to promote piracy.
said by Kearnstd :well atleast that is what will likely happen if Net Radio stations start to go off the air in bulk. stuff like Pandora was a Free and Legal way to get music of reasonable quality. if the industry steals that from people, lots of people will turn to the pirate bay for their next music. LOL! No one ever accused them(RIAA) of being very bright. Fools!
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Hardcore
The Cow Says
Premium
join:2002-08-23
Albany, GA | Yarr.
This may issue in a new generation of radio pirates. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to Redlight
Re: Sigh...
maybe no ads in the audio is why Pandora is so popular. and SE is spewing bullshit about charging different rates for different methods. Broadcast radio makes far more money then internet radio, however Internet Radio doesnt have powerful corporations behind it like Clearchannel.
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DOStradamus
MVM
join:2003-11-04
Santa Rosa, CA
| With HD Radio up and running, RIAA is simply a Bigot!
Is the RIAA aware of HD Radio? Since they consider a "garden variety" webcast stream (64Kbps, MP3) to provide "perfect" copies of their members' product, HD Radio should really rankle that lawyer-and-accountant infested organization to no end! Its sound quality easily beats 99.44% of the webcast streams out there. CBS Radio provides streams of their O-and-O stations that broadcast in HD here:
»www.cbsradio.com/streaming/index···t_format
It seems that they've even put the extra effort forth to get "darn close" to HD broadcast quality. It's worth a look and listen.
Terrestrial HD radio pays the same public-performance royalties an analog stations do, and their quality beats the netcasters' streams (repeated for emphasis).
For the (fornication)heads at the RIAA to continue their Klanning at the webcasters, with the current technology the over-the-air folks have now, makes them deserving of a gift of "hot cross buns", as defined by George Carlin: "Take one of their burning crosses and shove it right up their collective ..." |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to k1ll3rdr4g0n
Re: good luck riaa...
This is a case of the greedy megacorps killing the goose that lays the golden egg. If they kill streaming audio (which is what their plan is), they will kill the EXPOSURE that comes from it. Exposure is what leads to sales, not advertising. But they look at the bottom line for the quarter, and, being as shortsighted as they are (take a hint MPAA), they are killing future revenue generation for a short term gain. And it's not just the **ASSASS's that suffer from this. AT&T, Qworst, Comcrap all suffer from this tunnel vision, maximizing profits today but giving up revenue in the future.
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