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Comments on news posted 2008-08-17 12:36:27: Since their VDSL network upgrade project began, AT&T has been taking a lot of heat for their placement of U-Verse VRAD cabinets in many neighborhoods, with locals saying the cabinets (usually placed on right of way easements) are eyesores that decrea.. ..
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 YayOtters
join:2004-06-12
Monroe, NC
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Power Boxes? I'm not sure what the technical term is for them, but we've got one of those big green power boxes in our front lawn (and many other people do in other neighborhoods) but that's never been an issue.
We've got a few shrubs planted around it which have grown around it...Problem solved. Aside from not being a big problem, it's an easy fix if people would stop crying. | |
| | mworks
join:2006-06-13
Faison, NC | Re: Power Boxes? Those green power boxes are line transformers, or as a teacher I had called them, pole pigs. Only the new ones are in a box with underground power lines. I guess they are box pigs ? | |
| | Kearnstd
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Mullica Hill, NJ
1 edit | and yet none of these NIMBY asshats whine about the power company. but i guess they kinda like their lights to stay on.
Those green power boxes are line transformers, or as a teacher I had called them, pole pigs. Only the new ones are in a box with underground power lines. I guess they are box pigs ? would that make the box a "Pig Pen"?
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| kwest
join:2003-05-15
Dallas, GA
| Stupid people Cry baby people want advanced services but then don't like the equipment that must be placed on the street, just like the cry babies around here want cell phones but don't want cell towers to operate them give me a break!
Bottom line is the equipment cabinets ARE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY and there is NOTHING no one can do about it, we do not own the right of way the county or city does.
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Washington, DC
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| Re: Stupid people said by kwest  :Cry baby people want advanced services but then don't like the equipment that must be placed on the street, just like the cry babies around here want cell phones but don't want cell towers to operate them give me a break! "Cry babies" -- Can we please raise the civility level?
said by kwest :Bottom line is the equipment cabinets ARE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY and there is NOTHING no one can do about it, we do not own the right of way the county or city does. my 2 cents There is something that someone can do, and it is exactly what these people are doing -- they're going to their local officials to see if their concerns can be balanced with the needs of Comcast.
That's not being a cry-baby. That's handling the manner responsibly.
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ArgMeMatey
join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
·AT&T Midwest
1 edit | said by kwest :Bottom line is the equipment cabinets ARE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY and there is NOTHING no one can do about it, we do not own the right of way the county or city does. I don't know about things in the Peoples Republic of Dallas GA but around here the counties and cities are run by elected officials. So at least there's the appearance of democracy. Every citizen owns one vote's worth of that ROW. Put enough of them together and they own a majority.
It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to get the policitician re-elected. Making sense of things often falls on the judge's shoulders.
Complainers who want high-speed service are not complaining about competition or getting something they want. Nor would they object to a strategy of providing advanced communications to all. What they are really complaining about is the providers' tactics: Instead of putting in a more expensive, more disruptive network such as FTTH, they are choosing to more gradually push the high-speed network out, which means a lot more large boxes.
Some terms for clarification if memory serves:
CEV: Controlled environmental vault
52B: 63" tall, AT&T VRAD cabinet, aka refrigerator
ALP-248 48" tall, AT&T VRAD cabinet
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| irsean
join:2001-05-10
Redlands, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| FTTH Rules. CEV's are not the same as the boxes this article is discussing. CEV's are for the larger network and these are distribution points. Not the same thing.
Not sure about U-Verse but here at Vzn, our FDH (Fiber Dist Hubs) are anything but environmentally controlled. And the boxes in front of every two or three houses aren't even distribution hubs, they are termination points. Luckily these terminals are water sealed (the actual termination point, not the in-ground box they're in). I regularly have to bail out these boxes because some guy has his sprinklers going off every hour of the day (haven't these people heard of water conservation?).
Luckily, public right of way and "Ingress/Egress" clauses in Property Deeds give utilities the right to put whatever equipment they want in these places. Of course, if AT&T brought the fiber all the way to the house, these big boxes wouldn't even be necessary.
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | Re: FTTH Rules. said by irsean :CEV's are not the same as the boxes this article is discussing. CEV's are for the larger network and these are distribution points. Not the same thing. Not sure about U-Verse but here at Vzn, our FDH (Fiber Dist Hubs) are anything but environmentally controlled. And the boxes in front of every two or three houses aren't even distribution hubs, they are termination points. Luckily these terminals are water sealed (the actual termination point, not the in-ground box they're in). I regularly have to bail out these boxes because some guy has his sprinklers going off every hour of the day (haven't these people heard of water conservation?). Luckily, public right of way and "Ingress/Egress" clauses in Property Deeds give utilities the right to put whatever equipment they want in these places. Of course, if AT&T brought the fiber all the way to the house, these big boxes wouldn't even be necessary. The transformer boxes blend into wherever they are, they have just been around so long and are that camo green that kinda goes away in your peripheral vision. I prefer these to having lines on poles. Verizon's curbside boxes serve 2 houses at a time i believe, and often are completely invisible from most angles because they are green, blend into the grass, and they sit very low, the tops are typically flush with the soil. Comcast has had such problems with water in my area in their curb boxes that they installed the plastic domes instead. These domes also cover what's inside (obviously)... a vertically mounted coax terminal switch that also serves 2 houses at up to 5 boxes each plus internet & voip without extra fiddling. I believe fios tv can handle 15 hd streams at a time per ONT, so there really is no limit because of how they deliver the data as long as everyone isn't watching citizen cane in cinemascope on HBOHD at the same time. Voip and internet are included obviously. Now, ATT has something totally different, and in my opinion totally useless. Not only do they have the wonders of fiber, but the nightmares of copper, and lawn friges to boot. If they had just done it the way vz did, no one would be saying anything about eyesore telco boxes.
All that being said, it feels "high tech" to me to have stuff in the ground rather than sprouting up all over, like att and comcast are stuck in the 80's and vz is from "back to the future".
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join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
·Comcast
4 edits | Re: FTTH Rules. actually it wasnt comcast that had the problem but lower bucks cablevision. the township required lower bucks to install the underground vaults so thats what was done. as technology evolved and comcast purchased the system they had no choice but to go with the peds instead. verizon fios hasnt been down in lower bucks very long as your correct that lower bucks is very wet and the vaults fill up and freeze in the winter. last year was a warm winter so the vaults didnt freeze but all hells going to break loose when the same thing happens to verizon as happened to lower bucks cable vision and later comcast. bottom line vaults dont work down there no matter who installs them. bottom line is a vault filled with ice = no service for the subscriber. vaults are nothing but a plastic box with no bottom with a plastic lid and they still suck. | |
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join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: FTTH Rules. These have 2 feet of gravel under them for drainage. The comcast ones were just on dirt. We've had flooding rains and SERIOUS snow (because it's by the road it can get piled high up to 5 feet of snow moved from the sidewalk & street) as well as snow plus rain etc etc. They seem to be holding up well. In fact, the only thing we did have an issue with ironically was the comcast box! They had to splice into the next box down to bring the signal to our house, was a nice orange coax cable, and sat there for 2 weeks or so. They ran new line through the conduit and pulled the old line out after the 2 or so weeks and everything has been fine with it since. The "poor signal quality" ferry has been visiting my TV screen though, along with tiling and mismatched audio/video. After 20 years of comcast we've grown tired of their faulty crap. Time to let someone else try. 
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