wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | I signed.
I'm sick of corporate greed. Time to get back to people helping others, instead of people helping themselves...
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probboy
join:2008-01-10
Natick, MA
1 edit | It's time for Google to shut up
They had a chance to bid in the last spectrum auction, and chose essentially not to by putting in a single bid. Google wants a free ride on everyone else's infrastructure in order to sell ads.
Can anyone do a back of the envelop calculation on how much bandwidth this opens up (in order to save the internet)? ATSC is ~19 mbit/sec on a 6mhz channel, so that doesn't seem like a whole heck of a lot of bandwidth without implementing a cellular-like system, which implies that this is going to cost a lot of money to implement. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Re: I signed.
said by wentlanc  :I'm sick of corporate greed. And you think Google isn't part of the corporate need for high profits? Get real. |
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MrMoody
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I still don't think it's possible to make these things so they don't interfere with distant broadcasts, and even if they do, once the floodgates are opened, substandard, interfering devices will eventually find their way into the market. It's tough enough to get a clean digital TV signal as it is. Therefore I hope the FCC continues to do its job and protect us from them. Let them find some other band to steal, or license channels geographically.
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MrMoody
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Re: It's time for Google to shut up
said by probboy :Can anyone do a back of the envelop calculation on how much bandwidth this opens up (in order to save the internet)? ATSC is ~19 mbit/sec on a 6mhz channel, so that doesn't seem like a whole heck of a lot of bandwidth without implementing a cellular-like system, which implies that this is going to cost a lot of money to implement. Right you are. No wireless system is ever going to be the utopia everyone is wishing for because of severe bandwidth per customer limitations.
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jinjimbob
Troy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13 | reply to MrMoody
Re: No
yep! |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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Re: I signed.
said by TKJunkMail :said by wentlanc :I'm sick of corporate greed. And you think Google isn't part of the corporate need for high profits? Get real. The difference is, they are up front about it.
People are tired of getting screwed by un-fees, bills they can't understand, early termination fees, bills that wind up 25% higher do to said fees, draconian limits imposed on what they can/can't do with the service they purchased. All these things are coming from a few large communications companies, with the Bells being the worst offenders.
There is a growing animosity toward corporations and pro-corporation government bodies that is going to shake the whole system up. People, especially the younger generation, are tired of feeling like we don't have a voice.
My ass hurts, doesn't yours?
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Pay-TV companies should support Google!
Once these white space devices successfully contaminate the television spectrum, people will be pushed to cable, satellite, or telco television services to be able to watch their TV shows... |
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afiggatt
join:2007-07-12
Sterling, VA
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Re: No
said by MrMoody :I still don't think it's possible to make these things so they don't interfere with distant broadcasts, and even if they do, once the floodgates are opened, substandard, interfering devices will eventually find their way into the market. It's tough enough to get a clean digital TV signal as it is. Agreed. This has the potential to destroy even medium range digital TV reception. How will a white space box inside a house detect the signal from a distant station that the neighbor picks up with a high gain antenna in the attic or on the roof?
One item I have not seen discussed is how these white space communications will detect analog stations? After the full power station analog shutdown, there will still be 1000s of low power (LP) stations and translators (TX) broadcasting in analog. The conversion plan for the LPs and TXs has still to be finalized, but the reported plan is that they will have until 2012 to go all digital. They should table these devices until all TV broadcasting is digital. Which still doesn't address usage along the Mexican border as Mexico currently has a 2020 or so final digital conversion date for TV broadcasts. |
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WiseOldNerd
De gustibus non est disputandum
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join:2001-11-25
Phoenix, AZ | I Signed
Just to spite ol TK Junkman the anti everything person
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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Re: I signed.
said by Matt :People are tired of getting screwed by un-fees, bills they can't understand, early termination fees, bills that wind up 25% higher do to said fees, draconian limits imposed on what they can/can't do with the service they purchased. Google's ISP offerings are much better. Oh wait...they'd rather do a lot of blog blabbing instead of opening their coffers to build a utopian network for the poor downtrodden consumers. Too bad Google isn't willing to put their money where their mouth says their beliefs are. |
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Billme
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Re: I Signed
I just signed too, but not to spite TK and the other "nay sayers".
History has proven that anytime anyone comes up with any idea, someone will come forward to say that it won't work. The trail of technology is riddled with the bones of "nay sayers".
I think the dispute began when all those that could profit realized that these spaces will inevitably be used for broadband.
I just happen to like the "Wireless Innovation Alliance" model better than anything else I've heard. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: I signed.
I know they are, but the also give back. I'm getting free email, and searches from them with relatively few strings attached.
What am I getting from telco's and cablecos? Fewer options, forced bundles, contracts, bait and switch, capping, fapping, filtering, and a lack of competition. I'll opt out, thanks....
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Billme
@lostinthenoise.net | reply to Billme
Re: I Signed
And before anyone says it does not affect you, you are in Canada.
I'm not in Canada, see.  |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Re: I signed.
said by openbox9 :said by Matt :People are tired of getting screwed by un-fees, bills they can't understand, early termination fees, bills that wind up 25% higher do to said fees, draconian limits imposed on what they can/can't do with the service they purchased. Google's ISP offerings are much better. Oh wait...they'd rather do a lot of blog blabbing instead of opening their coffers to build a utopian network for the poor downtrodden consumers. Too bad Google isn't willing to put their money where their mouth says their beliefs are. The sad part is, they still have a better record than the telcos.
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ja2007123
join:2007-10-06 | Google...
is just the guy who speaks for the team but doesn't do the hardwork plus gets all the attention.
That's why i hate google sometimes. |
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elijahblake
@ms.us
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What about me and the other millions of people that live a few miles out of town and ATT has no plan to give me DSL... So i'm stuck with Wildblue for my slow speed internet. I hate Wildblue with a passion, it's been nothing but a nightmare from day one. I am currently throttled down to a speed so low that it just times out and want even let me get online. My download is at about 30% but they're saying i'm over my upload, which is a crock.. So yeah i'm all for alternative broadband and more importantly finally being able to get broadband in rural areas. |
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uid1307457
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I think the idea was a good enough reason to sign.
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To the members of the Federal Communications Commission:
I'm writing to urge you to open up currently unused parts of the TV spectrum (the "white spaces") for wireless broadband and other emerging technologies. I applaud the extraordinary steps the Commission has taken to realize the potential of TV white spaces to date, and encourage you to take this next step today.
The potential benefits of freeing up this important public resource, more than three-quarters of which today is unused, are overwhelming.
The white spaces can:
* Pave the way for universal wireless broadband access;
* Extend broadband wireless to rural areas that currently aren't connected at all;
* Enhance the reliability of public safety communications;
* Enable distance learning for students in remote locations or for whom traditional classroom-based learning is impractical; and,
* Bring high-speed mobile internet access to every high school and middle school in the country.
Opening up unused TV spectrum might be one of our best remaining chances to address the digital divide by creating affordable and truly universal broadband wireless coverage in the U.S.. I urge you to take this rare opportunity to connect millions more people to the Internet.
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
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Re: No
i suggest that you figure out what they want to do. a 'white space' device would NOT transmit in a frequency band already in use. so i don't know where you pulled this BS from, but i have an idea of it would make it harder to tune to a DTV channel. from my understanding, the atsc performs fairly well with interference, assuming the pilot carrier is intact, if it isn't, well that channel is pretty much killed for any reciever. again, i suggest you figure out that 'white space' and 'white space' devices are before you spread your FUD. |
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